addictive sin?

[free]

This post keeps getting better and better....

[ichthus]

Even though it's another sin entirely and much more extreme, some of the "theological arguments" over uses of words reminds me of some of the "theologians" of the Metropolitan Community Church arguing greek words in Romans 1 to justify homosexuality.

[RamboPreacher]

drunkard as defined in the Hebrew and the Greek is one who gets tipsy so yes a one time drunk is a one time drunkard

you are incorrect. and you do not want to go to original languages with me, my friend. If you really do, then please begin with which of the 5 Hebrew roots of the English translated word do you want to begin; or the 4 Koine Greek roots of the English translated word would you like to begin? maybe start with the nouns or the verbs; perhaps the accusative, adjective as one of the forms in the Greek? The heart of the NT Greek phraseology is the word (transliterated) - paroinos - sometimes translated as wine-bibber, and a very precise meaning that is NOT have connotation or context of meaning tipsy only once, it is however translated as addicted to wine, drunken, of one who tends to be quarrelsome as he habitually drinks too much; substantivally drunkard - a short lexical thesauretic phrase would be - one given to drunkenness. sound familiar to what i have been saying about the so called "gambling" definition? it should.

Come on...even psycologist disagree with your statement.... now it is not only moderation being drunk here and there is ok???? where does it stop?

really? please provide citations for websites and bibliographic information to show that they disagree with what I am saying, as opposed to what you think I am saying. Once again;

being drunk and being a drunkard are two different things.

drinking wine at a wedding, as example - enough times that you have someone drive you home (because you are not wanting to be "reckless"), one time - is not the same as drinking wine every day (habitually), and hiding it from your spouse (affecting family).

[TW]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin! To illustrate my point allow me to relate a story. This is a true story, I know this because I personally know the woman involved.

A woman that I know works in a large office, one of her co-workers was retiring and the office staff planned a Retirement Dinner at a nearby restaurant. The entire staff assembled there to celebrate their friends achievements. This restaurant also had a bar, and many of her co-workers were ordering drinks from the bar. When the waitress asked what she wanted to drink, she asked for tea. Somewhere in the communication of the orders between the customers, the waitress, and the bar tender (the person that was responsible to fill all drink orders) a mistake was made. This lady was given a Long Island Iced Tea, the recipe follows:

Long Island Iced Tea recipe
The Long Island Iced Tea (LIIT) is the basis of many elaborate mixed-drinks. It dates to the 70's, named after the USA's largest island, Long Island, in New York. Although it doesn't contain tea, it's taste is similar.

1 part vodka
1 part tequila
1 part rum
1 part gin
1 part triple sec
1 1/2 parts sweet and sour mix
1 splash Coca-Cola®

Mix ingredients together over ice in a glass. Pour into a shaker and give one brisk shake. Pour back into the glass and make sure there is a touch of fizz at the top. Garnish with lemon.

It looked like sweet tea, it tasted like sweet tea, so she drank it with her dinner That one drink has enough alcohol in it that it would take the body over eleven hours to completely metabolize it. Needless to say she was drunk by the time she started home. Being that drunk impaired her judgment, she did not realize that she was drunk, she only knew that she felt relaxed. Driving home she lost control of her car and hit a telephone pole, the result of which was that she got a DUI, some time in the drunk tank at jail, and a totaled car.

Now my question is, did she commit a sin? In my opinion, no. Bad judgment? Yes. Sometimes we are to quick to label something sin when we don't have all the facts.


TW

[RamboPreacher]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin!...

Agreed TW, being drunk, and being a drunkard are not the same things. I am not sure why this is so difficult for some people, except that it is easier for them to "govern" morality (what is interpreted as sin) and teach abstinence, rather than relationship, and holiness with God.

[one love]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin! To illustrate my point allow me to relate a story. This is a true story, I know this because I personally know the woman involved.

A woman that I know works in a large office, one of her co-workers was retiring and the office staff planned a Retirement Dinner at a nearby restaurant. The entire staff assembled there to celebrate their friends achievements. This restaurant also had a bar, and many of her co-workers were ordering drinks from the bar. When the waitress asked what she wanted to drink, she asked for tea. Somewhere in the communication of the orders between the customers, the waitress, and the bar tender (the person that was responsible to fill all drink orders) a mistake was made. This lady was given a Long Island Iced Tea, the recipe follows:

Long Island Iced Tea recipe
The Long Island Iced Tea (LIIT) is the basis of many elaborate mixed-drinks. It dates to the 70's, named after the USA's largest island, Long Island, in New York. Although it doesn't contain tea, it's taste is similar.

1 part vodka
1 part tequila
1 part rum
1 part gin
1 part triple sec
1 1/2 parts sweet and sour mix
1 splash Coca-Cola®

Mix ingredients together over ice in a glass. Pour into a shaker and give one brisk shake. Pour back into the glass and make sure there is a touch of fizz at the top. Garnish with lemon.

It looked like sweet tea, it tasted like sweet tea, so she drank it with her dinner That one drink has enough alcohol in it that it would take the body over eleven hours to completely metabolize it. Needless to say she was drunk by the time she started home. Being that drunk impaired her judgment, she did not realize that she was drunk, she only knew that she felt relaxed. Driving home she lost control of her car and hit a telephone pole, the result of which was that she got a DUI, some time in the drunk tank at jail, and a totaled car.

Now my question is, did she commit a sin? In my opinion, no. Bad judgment? Yes. Sometimes we are to quick to label something sin when we don't have all the facts.


TW

I get the arguement but thee are very rediculous. If she really did not know she was drinking alcohol then she made a bad mstak but i have drank many, many long island ice teas and sure it has a "tea taste" but a tea taste with alcohol!!!!!! If she truly did not know i think she would have at least after 1/4 of the cup. Again if it was an honest mistake and she kept drinking unknowing sure it was an error but that is not the question.


I will place it plain, to drink is sin, i know you disagree but based off of sccoters reasons for drugs this should apply here to.

To drink in moderation is sin, i know many dont accept that now, that is your choice i respect that.


To get drunk is sin.

I am amazed again and again how pentecostal churches are becoming such a organization that just allows everything and nothing is sin. If you dare say

smoking
drinking
drugs
divorce/remmariage
chewing tobaco
is sin you are legalistic. It used to be legalistic to wear jewelry now you can get blasted and dont call it sin or you are legalistic.
I would be careful as more and more of the world seems ot be accepted. The heritage of the holiness movement is being lost completely.

[ichthus]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin! To illustrate my point allow me to relate a story. This is a true story, I know this because I personally know the woman involved.

A woman that I know works in a large office, one of her co-workers was retiring and the office staff planned a Retirement Dinner at a nearby restaurant. The entire staff assembled there to celebrate their friends achievements. This restaurant also had a bar, and many of her co-workers were ordering drinks from the bar. When the waitress asked what she wanted to drink, she asked for tea. Somewhere in the communication of the orders between the customers, the waitress, and the bar tender (the person that was responsible to fill all drink orders) a mistake was made. This lady was given a Long Island Iced Tea, the recipe follows:

Long Island Iced Tea recipe
The Long Island Iced Tea (LIIT) is the basis of many elaborate mixed-drinks. It dates to the 70's, named after the USA's largest island, Long Island, in New York. Although it doesn't contain tea, it's taste is similar.

1 part vodka
1 part tequila
1 part rum
1 part gin
1 part triple sec
1 1/2 parts sweet and sour mix
1 splash Coca-Cola®

Mix ingredients together over ice in a glass. Pour into a shaker and give one brisk shake. Pour back into the glass and make sure there is a touch of fizz at the top. Garnish with lemon.

It looked like sweet tea, it tasted like sweet tea, so she drank it with her dinner That one drink has enough alcohol in it that it would take the body over eleven hours to completely metabolize it. Needless to say she was drunk by the time she started home. Being that drunk impaired her judgment, she did not realize that she was drunk, she only knew that she felt relaxed. Driving home she lost control of her car and hit a telephone pole, the result of which was that she got a DUI, some time in the drunk tank at jail, and a totaled car.

Now my question is, did she commit a sin? In my opinion, no. Bad judgment? Yes. Sometimes we are to quick to label something sin when we don't have all the facts.


TW

I'm referring to willful sin. Willfully drinking alcohol until you are drunk.
Your example is a whole other story, just like a person hasn't committed suicide if they die when they unknowingly drink a drink that someone has slipped poison into.

[free]

OK help me out here...Is a crack shooting, pot smoking, beer drinking homosexual scratching a lottery ticket a sinner?

[ichthus]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin!...

Agreed TW, being drunk, and being a drunkard are not the same things. I am not sure why this is so difficult for some people, except that it is easier for them to "govern" morality (what is interpreted as sin) and teach abstinence, rather than relationship, and holiness with God.

Is getting just one woman pregnant who is not your wife still sin as long as you don't repeat it?

[RamboPreacher]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin!...

Agreed TW, being drunk, and being a drunkard are not the same things. I am not sure why this is so difficult for some people, except that it is easier for them to "govern" morality (what is interpreted as sin) and teach abstinence, rather than relationship, and holiness with God.

Is getting just one woman pregnant who is not your wife still sin as long as you don't repeat it?

please explain how this is even a comparison? your paradigm eludes me completely.

[one love]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin!...

Agreed TW, being drunk, and being a drunkard are not the same things. I am not sure why this is so difficult for some people, except that it is easier for them to "govern" morality (what is interpreted as sin) and teach abstinence, rather than relationship, and holiness with God.

Is getting just one woman pregnant who is not your wife still sin as long as you don't repeat it?

come on now you are going to be told you just dont understand because you want to "govern" morality.....

Serious you make a great point here and next rambo relationship brings forth fruit of holiness it is not governing morality but it is your outward man shining through because of what is on the inside.

Soon we will hav eto ask is anything sin or is sin just mean you have not recieved Jesus..........

[ichthus]

With some of this logic, there are a lot of things you couldn't call sin.

Where in the Bible does it forbid to use crack, heroin or cocaine?

One or two cigarettes aren't bad. Not that much damage. Only verses you can use against smoking in the Bible you gotta use against overeating too, so overweight people got a problem.

Where in the NT is polygamy forbidden for those who aren't in church leadership?

Where in the Bible does it teach against pedophilia (sex with minors)?

The Bible doesn't actually condemn a loving monogomous homosexual relationship. The actual greek words in 1 Cor.6:9 are for catamites or underage temple prostitutes and sexual abuse. God destroyed Sodom for the sin of inhospitality, over abundance and not caring for the poor--- not homosexuality. (Ezek. 16:49). If you apply Leviticus to homosexuality you have to keep the prohibition on mixed fabrics too. Romans 1 is only talking about those who "leave the natural use of the woman" (heteosexuals who switch to homosexuality) and not for those who are born homosexual.



*******DISCLAIMER******* I don't believe any of those statements, but I have heard them all. You CAN use the Bible (or Bible silence) to justify just about anything you want to do. (or at least people try.)

[ichthus]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin!...

Agreed TW, being drunk, and being a drunkard are not the same things. I am not sure why this is so difficult for some people, except that it is easier for them to "govern" morality (what is interpreted as sin) and teach abstinence, rather than relationship, and holiness with God.

Is getting just one woman pregnant who is not your wife still sin as long as you don't repeat it?

please explain how this is even a comparison? your paradigm eludes me completely.

I was being silly somewhat, but "Be not drunk with wine" is a command just like the one against adultery. To willfully do otherwise even if it is just once is a sin in both cases.

[ichthus]

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!

I, for one, don't believe that getting drunk once constitutes a sin!...

Agreed TW, being drunk, and being a drunkard are not the same things. I am not sure why this is so difficult for some people, except that it is easier for them to "govern" morality (what is interpreted as sin) and teach abstinence, rather than relationship, and holiness with God.

It is also a lot easier to pay lip service to "Holiness" in a generic, theoretical sense and not offend a soul, without having to actually name anything as specifically a sin, or actually apply the theory to real life issues. If it stays a theological concept to discuss, everyone is happy.

[one love]

BTW we are so out of it and legalistic and we are basically agreeing with the church that many here attend. COGOP there practice is what i have cited.