Louisville Question

[TC]

TC, unfortunatly they are wanting to avoid CoGoP from what was said earlier. That isn't too far from the COG I listed, don't know much about the church, but I know the pastor and would recommend him highly.

Yes I do understand that but my pastor (someone I have known all of my life, our mothers were friends when they were kids) would really be upset with me if I didin't mention it.

Never been to the one you listed. While I have attended COGOP all of my life I know that some need other things and everyone needs to find that one for them.

again if anyone wants to PM or email me with more specifics of what they are looking for I would be happy to give you a few more options.

[Jennifer Smith]

I have to disagree with Gerald about Evangel, I believe it is a solid, strong church with a very godly pastor. I have visited there many times and I have never seen or heard anything unscriptural and besides an excellent children's ministry, there is an outstanding Christian school.

[Gerald Creasy]

I have to disagree with Gerald about Evangel, I believe it is a solid, strong church with a very godly pastor. I have visited there many times and I have never seen or heard anything unscriptural and besides an excellent children's ministry, there is an outstanding Christian school.

I've been in Louisville longer than you; and I do not think of Jesse Duplantis as a "solid and strong" minister.

I also saw the pastor on TBN that said he was passing an abortion clinic and he saw a seven foot tall Demon with a triangular head parading around it and he said that THAT! must be the demon over Louisville, and then the "voice of the Lord" told him "NO! The Demon over Louisvile is as tall as a skyskraper!"

Godly!? Fruit Loops!

[jinjer]

Jennifer wrote:

I have to disagree with Gerald about Evangel, I believe it is a solid, strong church with a very godly pastor. I have visited there many times and I have never seen or heard anything unscriptural and besides an excellent children's ministry, there is an outstanding Christian school.

I lean somewhere closer to Gerald's assessment. I will give you that they have a good school. I am a graduate of said school, I attended from 1974-1980. There were only 50 students in the high school (7th-12th) when I started there. I have been friends with Bob and Margaret Rodgers and the Rodgers family for most all my life. Margaret's sister and I were best friends in high school. I and my family knew Bob's dad as well as myself being friends with Brad and Sherry Rodgers Holt. I have and have had many friends who attend or used to attend Evangel as well. I know many things from over the years as well as recent but generally keep them to myself, for a variety of reasons. But like I said, I lean not all the way towards Gerald, but closer to Gerald's assessment of Evangel.

Jinjer

[TC]

I know several people that have good and bad impressions of Evangel, as well as Bob Rogers. I met his father a few times and thought he was a very nice man. I have had good experiences with Bob Rogers and bad experiences but I know there are many good people that attend Evangel.

I know people who have been there since it opened. People who put second mortages on their homes to pay for the the Church. I know several people who have attended or do attend that are not happy with the direction the Church has taken over the last 10 years or so. I know people that worked at Evangel in different positions that are not happy as well. I have been told that a big problem is differents visions among the staff as well as different visions between the members and those in leadership. And that different vison is causing conflict and some of the leadership have decided they can do what ever they want. Evangel has a large budget and some have real questions about how that money is spent, and how it is rasied

I am not sure if Evangel has what your friends might be looking for, it has a lot of good people and things going on there. Every Church has its own vision and people need to find the Church that shares their vision

[Full Quiver]

I know several people who have attended or do attend that are not happy with the direction the Church has taken over the last 10 years or so.

And yet they stay and pay after all this time?

[TC]

I know several people who have attended or do attend that are not happy with the direction the Church has taken over the last 10 years or so.

And yet they stay and pay after all this time?

Yes some have some have not, but we all have seen this at just about any church, We have some that have disagreed with COGOP and have stayed for years, some in hopes that it will change back and some thinking that well this is the last change but only to be hit with more, and some thinking it is about time.

But my first thought was the CC song. "Slow fade" Most of the time there is not one day things are one way and they are different the next. Also sometimes it is not something you see until you step back and look at it and see how much it has changed.

It is hard for me to believe how much my local Church has changed over the last 5 years much less the last 10 or 15

[Pastor Bill]

TC, unfortunatly they are wanting to avoid CoGoP from what was said earlier. That isn't too far from the COG I listed, don't know much about the church, but I know the pastor and would recommend him highly.

Yes I do understand that but my pastor (someone I have known all of my life, our mothers were friends when they were kids) would really be upset with me if I didin't mention it.

Never been to the one you listed. While I have attended COGOP all of my life I know that some need other things and everyone needs to find that one for them.

again if anyone wants to PM or email me with more specifics of what they are looking for I would be happy to give you a few more options.

Can't blame you on that one! I hate to see someone bypass the CoGoP just due to the name, we aren't what we used to be, and we aren't all the same, but we're often judged by a bad past experience, and that stigma pushes some away from even looking.

[Jennifer Smith]

I have to disagree with Gerald about Evangel, I believe it is a solid, strong church with a very godly pastor. I have visited there many times and I have never seen or heard anything unscriptural and besides an excellent children's ministry, there is an outstanding Christian school.

I've been in Louisville longer than you; and I do not think of Jesse Duplantis as a "solid and strong" minister.

I also saw the pastor on TBN that said he was passing an abortion clinic and he saw a seven foot tall Demon with a triangular head parading around it and he said that THAT! must be the demon over Louisville, and then the "voice of the Lord" told him "NO! The Demon over Louisvile is as tall as a skyskraper!"
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Godly!? Fruit Loops!

What pastor was this-? You didn't mention Pastor Bob Rodgers, so I'm guessing not him.

But, if God revealed what the demon over Louisville is like to someone, that is wonderful. I believe he fasts and prays quite often...

Jesse Duplantis has what to do with this? I'm not quite sure....

Besides, Gerald, you know I could live in Louisville for an eternity and probably not ever see eye-to-eye with you over which ministries are legit.

Just funning with you!

[Gerald Creasy]

What pastor was this-? You didn't mention Pastor Bob Rodgers, so I'm guessing not him.

But, if God revealed what the demon over Louisville is like to someone, that is wonderful. I believe he fasts and prays quite often...

Jesse Duplantis has what to do with this? I'm not quite sure....

Besides, Gerald, you know I could live in Louisville for an eternity and probably not ever see eye-to-eye with you over which ministries are legit.

Just funning with you!

Yes, It was Rodgers....playing "keeping up with the spiritual Jonses"

Perhaps it would be better to establish the strengths of demons, whether they have territorys, whether they have a body that can be seen, whether or not it can be the size of Godzilla FROM THE BIBLE rather than the subjective experiences of men.

If you are comfortable with a pastor who makes such claims from subjective personal experience over what we are told in the Bible then by all means you would probably think Rodgers is a "good pastor".

[Jennifer Smith]

Perhaps it would be better to establish the strengths of demons, whether they have territorys, whether they have a body that can be seen, whether or not it can be the size of Godzilla FROM THE BIBLE rather than the subjective experiences of men.

If you are comfortable with a pastor who makes such claims from subjective personal experience over what we are told in the Bible then by all means you would probably think Rodgers is a "good pastor".

It just dawned on me... you watch TBN?!!

hmm... I don't think this counts as making a claim "over" what we are told in the Bible. the statement would have to contradict the Bible in some way to qualify that!

Biblically, (and since I don't have alot of time now, just off the top of my head..) God revealed to Daniel the spiritual struggle that had gone on for three weeks since he had begun praying. God opened the eyes of Elisha's (Elijah's?) servant to see the angels protecting them. Why could/would God not reveal to someone who prays something about what he is dealing with in the spiritual realm? Just a crazy notion, I guess...

[TC]

I can't say much about his Theology, I can't say I remember hearing him really preach on a topic or issue.

I won't say the Minister's Name, but a while back I went to hear one of the well known national ministers preach. I heard almost 45 mins of how we are all stealing from God, Our Car, Our suit, The money we spend eating out on sunday's after church all is money belongs to God and we are stealing it by using it for such trivial things. All this while the pastor has a watch worth at least 2 grand, a diamond ring and tie pin close to a grand. "offering" was taken up. Not for the visiting minister, He preached and then had to take up his own offering after he preached.

Evangel has its good and bad points, Evangel School has its good and bad points as well. All Churches and Schools do. It is all up to the person and what they are in need of if that school or Church is for you.

[Jennifer Smith]

I can't say much about his Theology, I can't say I remember hearing him really preach on a topic or issue.

I won't say the Minister's Name, but a while back I went to hear one of the well known national ministers preach. I heard almost 45 mins of how we are all stealing from God, Our Car, Our suit, The money we spend eating out on sunday's after church all is money belongs to God and we are stealing it by using it for such trivial things. All this while the pastor has a watch worth at least 2 grand, a diamond ring and tie pin close to a grand. "offering" was taken up. Not for the visiting minister, He preached and then had to take up his own offering after he preached.

Evangel has its good and bad points, Evangel School has its good and bad points as well. All Churches and Schools do. It is all up to the person and what they are in need of if that school or Church is for you.

Good point and it's great if you can live in the shadow of a big church (we live literally within blocks of the two New Albany megachurches)... and try to be objective.

Incidentally, one of said churches is Graceland (Baptist). My son started going there on Wednesday nights because our midweek is Thurs.. and they have basketball. I was sort of ho-hum and didn't really encourage him one way or another. But God revealed to me that there is more going on there spiritually than what I as an outsider would realize.
A friend confirmed this, when she first went to town it was her church, where God would move very strongly. At that time, Graceland was almost removed from the Southern Baptist convention because of the move of God that was taking place. They went through some transitions, pastors moving on, etc, the roof caved in, (literally) . As the dust settled, the church is more conservative but God is still working through the church greatly in the community and in people's lives. So, I guess we have to watch our prejudices because they can trip us up. I have seen the youth pastors there reach out to my son, and had I not encouraged him, he might be missing out on a blessing from going

[Gerald Creasy]

It just dawned on me... you watch TBN?!!

hmm... I don't think this counts as making a claim "over" what we are told in the Bible. the statement would have to contradict the Bible in some way to qualify that!

Biblically, (and since I don't have alot of time now, just off the top of my head..) God revealed to Daniel the spiritual struggle that had gone on for three weeks since he had begun praying. God opened the eyes of Elisha's (Elijah's?) servant to see the angels protecting them. Why could/would God not reveal to someone who prays something about what he is dealing with in the spiritual realm? Just a crazy notion, I guess...

I have a relative who is a TBN junkie.

LOOK as I list out the Non-Biblical (or things not mentioned in the Bible) you accept on the subjective experience of one man:

1) Demons HAve a Body
2) Demons can have a Body as big as Godzilla and it's directly porportional to the size of territory they control.
3) Demons like to join pro-abotion marches
4) In Blatant contradiction of Jude 6 where the fallen angels are in "everlasting chains", according to Bob, they are the spiritual mayors of cities.
5) Demons obey rules amongst themselves. (Ie You take New Albany and I'll take Louisville)
6) Because a man prays and fasts he can find ADDITIONAL knowledge about the way the world works through personal experience (therby adding to scripture)

I flaly refute that any of these can be supported by scripture.
ALL of which have to be accepted in order to believe pastor Bob.

[one love]

ok my son was beside me when I was reading this and he is going " Dad click on that picture, click on that picture" as he is a big sponge bob fan, so Gerald he loves your avatar