GREAT NEWS! GREAT NEWS!!!!!!

[MrDanger]

I agree to a point, but there are many who will not receive a needed healing or touch of refreshing from the Lord because of unnecessary mistrust and ambivalence due to that influence. And, the fleshly manner in which he approaches his warnings is a tip off that they are not motivated by the Spirit, or at least are not continuing in the Spirit.. I say that with respect for the person, but not for the manner in which he conducts his ministry.

So would you have stated that Jesus was was acting in the flesh when he called the religious leaders vipers? Was Jesus acting in the flesh when he was angered by what people had turned the temple into and turned over tables.

It saddens me that apparently with all the prosperity junk going around that we have lost the ability to truly read what Jesus said and did. He was very sarcastic (asking the Pharisees "Have you not heard of David?") at times. He was very blunt at times.

I saw with my own eyes this garbage on my tv. I HEARD him proclaim that God had said the mighty outpouring would begin on a certain date. But an "angel" proclaimed it was going to start much earlier. So God was confused on His dates? You really stand by that? Seriously?

[Gerald Creasy]

Just wondering if the dead people Todd saw like the ones the Disciples saw on the mount of Transfiguration, or are they more like the ones John sawstanging around the throne rejoicing, or more like the deaed small , or more like the ones who had dead in Rev.6 for the cause who woke up and spoke.

Still I do not support Bentley just because there were people in the New Testament who saw dead people.

Ray

Most of your posts to me are the verbal equivalent of a John Wayne Gacy Clown Photo.

This one I was able to decipher.

Perhaps you should study up on the PERSON whom he saw and the situation in which he saw them.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald,

This is exactly why it is challenging to discuss scripture with you. I used scripture to make my point and you totally disregarded it.

I am not "adding" anything, but to me there isn't enough Biblical proof one way or the other regarding female angels.

The doctrine of heaven and/or hell would be a good example. The descriptive silence concerning these real places does not prohibit us from painting visuals of the beauties or horrors of these respective dwellings.

I will not lose any sleep over the gender of angels. If I ever meet a female angel, the real test for me will not be whether she was foretold in scripture, but whether or not she gives allegiance to Christ.

To me, it's kind of like "wise men at a manger scene". Does it harm the gospel message or paint a broader picture?

pa

Why should you NOT be challenged when discussing scripture?

And YES you would be adding SEX to the being known as "an angel".

I was told recently by a new convert: I was shocked to learn we didnt turn into angels when we died.

The idea owes it's origin to Christian themed myth and a gnostic fascination with angelic beings.

[Steve]

This whole argument is like arguing about the Biblical correctness of a Marylin Manson lyric or something. LOOK AT THE SOURCE! Why are we arguing about points made by a false prophet? Go to Crosswalk or somewhere and search for "false teachers" or "false prophets" and see how we should deal with this guy! If you agree that he is not of God, then just say so and leave him alone! If you want to start a "Gender of Angels" thread, go for it.

Gerald,

This is exactly why it is challenging to discuss scripture with you. I used scripture to make my point and you totally disregarded it.

I am not "adding" anything, but to me there isn't enough Biblical proof one way or the other regarding female angels.

The doctrine of heaven and/or hell would be a good example. The descriptive silence concerning these real places does not prohibit us from painting visuals of the beauties or horrors of these respective dwellings.

I will not lose any sleep over the gender of angels. If I ever meet a female angel, the real test for me will not be whether she was foretold in scripture, but whether or not she gives allegiance to Christ.

To me, it's kind of like "wise men at a manger scene". Does it harm the gospel message or paint a broader picture?

pa

Why should you NOT be challenged when discussing scripture?

And YES you would be adding SEX to the being known as "an angel".

I was told recently by a new convert: I was shocked to learn we didnt turn into angels when we died.

The idea owes it's origin to Christian themed myth and a gnostic fascination with angelic beings.

[EagerBeaver]

Just saw the clip.

I saw better acting in the A-Team.

My God is a God of order, not confusion. Every instance I read in the Bible of the Holy Spirit coming on someone, they were empowered. Peter and Paul were notable examples: they preached clearly and everyone understood them...the Spirit moved upon them and they added to the church. None of this flopping around foolishness.

I don't see how people are being blessed by this. God help us all.

[one love]

Folks I just want to remind us. I have watched many of these videos. I hear no preaching, no talk of the cross, no biblical doctrine. Just seeking signs and wonders. I understand Gerald about his view of pentecostalism I really do because the TBN version really makes me sad to see how so many holiness movements are going this route. This is why I do feel biblical governement is so importand (just a statement no need to debate that, this is not why I am mentioning it )

Look at this and the others posted and watch it with these verses inmind. Signs and wonders does not mean it is God just becuase becuase of these supposed signs. It is almost a mockery with his "BAM" as if he commands when the spirit will move just as Benny hinn does.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9xdw6a ... re=related
2 Cor 11:14-15

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV

[Jennifer Smith]

Folks I just want to remind us. I have watched many of these videos. I hear no preaching, no talk of the cross, no biblical doctrine. Just seeking signs and wonders. I understand Gerald about his view of pentecostalism I really do because the TBN version really makes me sad to see how so many holiness movements are going this route. This is why I do feel biblical governement is so importand (just a statement no need to debate that, this is not why I am mentioning it )

Look at this and the others posted and watch it with these verses inmind. Signs and wonders does not mean it is God just becuase becuase of these supposed signs. It is almost a mockery with his "BAM" as if he commands when the spirit will move just as Benny hinn does.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9xdw6a ... re=related
2 Cor 11:14-15

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV

onelove, you should watch the ustream services if you are just watching clips to get an idea of the sermons that are being preached.

[MrDanger]

Jennifer, once again, I watched his sermon, and all that was going on till I couldn't handle it any more. I don't go to sites where quotes can be taken out of context. I don't watch clips that can be taken out of context. I watched the real deal.

It made me feel ill.

This is now the third time (once in another thread) that I have said what happened in the service I WATCHED WITH MY OWN EYES. Not clips. The Service. It was disgusting.

[one love]

Folks I just want to remind us. I have watched many of these videos. I hear no preaching, no talk of the cross, no biblical doctrine. Just seeking signs and wonders. I understand Gerald about his view of pentecostalism I really do because the TBN version really makes me sad to see how so many holiness movements are going this route. This is why I do feel biblical governement is so importand (just a statement no need to debate that, this is not why I am mentioning it )

Look at this and the others posted and watch it with these verses inmind. Signs and wonders does not mean it is God just becuase becuase of these supposed signs. It is almost a mockery with his "BAM" as if he commands when the spirit will move just as Benny hinn does.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9xdw6a ... re=related
2 Cor 11:14-15

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV

onelove, you should watch the ustream services if you are just watching clips to get an idea of the sermons that are being preached.

I will be glad to would you please send a link to one you like, i would appreicate it. The different ones I have watched are the ones that people seem to love, I have posted some videos on both sides but the ones people seem to go wild over are just disturbing. There must be biblical reference with anything and revival is also about salvation and the message of the cross.

I appreciate it Jennifer may the Lord bless you and I would love a link, thanks

[Jennifer Smith]

If you type "Florida Healing Revival" into Google, it comes up at the top of the page, (just for future reference.)

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/great-flo ... ng-revival

[MrDanger]

I agree to a point, but there are many who will not receive a needed healing or touch of refreshing from the Lord because of unnecessary mistrust and ambivalence due to that influence. And, the fleshly manner in which he approaches his warnings is a tip off that they are not motivated by the Spirit, or at least are not continuing in the Spirit.. I say that with respect for the person, but not for the manner in which he conducts his ministry.

So would you have stated that Jesus was was acting in the flesh when he called the religious leaders vipers? Was Jesus acting in the flesh when he was angered by what people had turned the temple into and turned over tables.

Did I slip into yiddish or something? You haven't answered my question.

[EagerBeaver]

I agree to a point, but there are many who will not receive a needed healing or touch of refreshing from the Lord because of unnecessary mistrust and ambivalence due to that influence. And, the fleshly manner in which he approaches his warnings is a tip off that they are not motivated by the Spirit, or at least are not continuing in the Spirit.. I say that with respect for the person, but not for the manner in which he conducts his ministry.

So would you have stated that Jesus was was acting in the flesh when he called the religious leaders vipers? Was Jesus acting in the flesh when he was angered by what people had turned the temple into and turned over tables.

Did I slip into yiddish or something? You haven't answered my question.

Not Yiddish but German. This is how your question looked to me.

So würden Sie erklärt haben, dass Jesus fungierte im Fleisch war, als er die religiösen Führer Vipern anrief? Zu war Jesus, der im fungiert Fleisch, als er verärgert wurde von, welchen Leuten den Tempel und umgedreht Tabellen gemacht hatte.

:):)

[Jennifer Smith]

Jennifer, once again, I watched his sermon, and all that was going on till I couldn't handle it any more. I don't go to sites where quotes can be taken out of context. I don't watch clips that can be taken out of context. I watched the real deal.

It made me feel ill.

This is now the third time (once in another thread) that I have said what happened in the service I WATCHED WITH MY OWN EYES. Not clips. The Service. It was disgusting.

But, Jeff, that was your take on it- I'm glad you watched the service instead of just a clip. You said there was something that concerned you, I must've missed it- but I'm open to hear it.

At some point we must acknowledge that there are differences of opinion about what is acceptable according to Scripture, and we must try to respect one another in our differences.

BTW, I don't think your previous comparison bears out, and that is all I can say about that.

[Sherry]

So would you have stated that Jesus was was acting in the flesh when he called the religious leaders vipers? Was Jesus acting in the flesh when he was angered by what people had turned the temple into and turned over tables.

Did I slip into yiddish or something? You haven't answered my question.

Not Yiddish but German. This is how your question looked to me.

So würden Sie erklärt haben, dass Jesus fungierte im Fleisch war, als er die religiösen Führer Vipern anrief? Zu war Jesus, der im fungiert Fleisch, als er verärgert wurde von, welchen Leuten den Tempel und umgedreht Tabellen gemacht hatte.

Looked like Greek to me!

Έτσι θα είχατε δηλώσει ότι ο Ιησούς ήταν ενεργούσε αυτοπροσώπως πότε κάλεσε τις θρησκευτικές οχιές ηγετών; Ήταν ο Ιησούς που ενεργεί αυτοπροσώπως όταν θυμώθηκε από ποιους ανθρώπους είχε γυρίσει το ναό και τους αναποδογυρισμένους πίνακες.

[Ilovebigcats]

I agree to a point, but there are many who will not receive a needed healing or touch of refreshing from the Lord because of unnecessary mistrust and ambivalence due to that influence. And, the fleshly manner in which he approaches his warnings is a tip off that they are not motivated by the Spirit, or at least are not continuing in the Spirit.. I say that with respect for the person, but not for the manner in which he conducts his ministry.

So would you have stated that Jesus was was acting in the flesh when he called the religious leaders vipers? Was Jesus acting in the flesh when he was angered by what people had turned the temple into and turned over tables.

Did I slip into yiddish or something? You haven't answered my question.

We heard the message... we are bowed in silence awaiting interpretation.