Looking for a chart

paul · Postby **paul** » November 14th, 2008, 6:12 am

Several years ago I came across a graph on church growth. It was a series of circles. The concept was that to maintain a certain number you needed so many in the inner core, i.e. 15 inner core ( die hards, the faithful and committed) to support a church of 75. If the inner circle expanded to i.e. 20 then you could expect 75-125 and so on. I am looking everywhere for that chart.....but no luck, tried to google it no luck. Any one ever see it ? I need the exact corralation of numbers.

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » November 14th, 2008, 8:24 am

I'm thinking I saw that, too, once, maybe in Purpose Driven Church?????

Postby **Pastor Gary** » November 14th, 2008, 9:35 am

PDC uses what Warren defines as Circles of Commitment, but I don't remember any numbers or percentages in that model.

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » November 14th, 2008, 9:44 am

Gotcha. I wasn't sure. Doesn't he, though, describe what Paul listed above, even if without a chart in the book? Seems like it to me, but it's been so long since I read that I can't recall. Whatever or wherever, I think I've read some of the same stuff you have Paul; I just hope your memory or someone else's resourcefulness is better than mine!! :lol:

paul · Postby **paul** » November 14th, 2008, 10:54 am

dolfan wrote:Gotcha. I wasn't sure. Doesn't he, though, describe what Paul listed above, even if without a chart in the book? Seems like it to me, but it's been so long since I read that I can't recall. Whatever or wherever, I think I've read some of the same stuff you have Paul; I just hope your memory or someone else's resourcefulness is better than mine!!

Thank's PG..I am familiar with that chart. I was asked by a church of about 300 to help them create flow charts for their bible school program. Creating a process of using the school to assimilate people into the church process. Training them to become effective leaders and eventually Church Plant Teams.

The concept behind the graph was that depending on the number of CORE Members that would define your size. You might have individual large Sunday attendance but it would always go back to a set number. Only when the core changed would the size of the church be truly effected.

The problem is that the hardest area to penetrate is the core. It is protective, exclusive and generally comprised of fouonding family members ect...... Which is this churches particular problem that I see on the surface. I can share this with the pastor and leaders but I would rather not be guessing at numbers but actually have a valid graph in hand.

Thank for the input.

Jude 2