Discussing A Countermovement to WOF

[Gerald Creasy]

How about a NON-WOF Pentecostal Movement??

What would it be called?

What would be the objectives?

How could it be formed?


I would love to see such a thing begin and grow and have control of denominations: People dedicaded to true Bible and not prooftexting combined with occultic principles.

[Pastor Gary]

How about a NON-WOF Pentecostal Movement??

What would it be called?

What would be the objectives?

How could it be formed?


I would love to see such a thing begin and grow and have control of denominations: People dedicaded to true Bible and not prooftexting combined with occultic principles.

You mean like the Church of God of Pursuing the Power of Pentecost Post Preposterous Pretentious Prosperity Preaching? The COGOPPPPPPPP?

I am already a member.

[Gerald Creasy]

You mean like the Church of God of Pursuing the Power of Pentecost Post Preposterous Pretentious Prosperity Preaching? The COGOPPPPPPPP?

I am already a member.

While that is in humorous, I do think somehing else needs to be done.

[Poimen]

You mean like the Church of God of Pursuing the Power of Pentecost Post Preposterous Pretentious Prosperity Preaching? The COGOPPPPPPPP?

I am already a member.

PG -- there's a bad echo in your mic. To much reverb or something.

[Poimen]

While that is in humorous, I do think somehing else needs to be done.

Well, you've done started a thread, why not facilitate it (at least hypothetically.) Cast your vision brother. Share your criteria with us.

[Pastor Gary]

You mean like the Church of God of Pursuing the Power of Pentecost Post Preposterous Pretentious Prosperity Preaching? The COGOPPPPPPPP?

I am already a member.

While that is in humorous, I do think somehing else needs to be done.

The concept is not humorous at all -- my attempt to name it was an attempt to be humous in light of the ever-growing xCOGx family tree. I'd really prefer an internal reformation movement to yet another split.

[Gerald Creasy]

The concept is not humorous at all -- my attempt to name it was an attempt to be humous in light of the ever-growing xCOGx family tree. I'd really prefer an internal reformation movement to yet another split.

Understood.

I would like to see something REAL instead of just internet ranting. A movement of likeminded individuals who stand for the true gospel.

Althought the parallel may not be exact---kind of like a Religious Order in Catholicism. IN other words IN Pentecostalism but embracing certain ideas and refusing others.

[Gerald Creasy]

Well, you've done started a thread, why not facilitate it (at least hypothetically.) Cast your vision brother. Share your criteria with us.

I'd like to move beyond the hypothetical. I'd like to get enough interest to hammer out some basic groundwork.

I'm sick of seing heretics and lunatics lauded from COGOP pulpits.

[RamboPreacher]

You mean like the Church of God of Pursuing the Power of Pentecost Post Preposterous Pretentious Prosperity Preaching? The COGOPPPPPPPP?

I am already a member.

While that is in humorous, I do think something else needs to be done.

The concept is not humorous at all -- my attempt to name it was an attempt to be humous in light of the ever-growing xCOGx family tree. I'd really prefer an internal reformation movement to yet another split.

I agree with "Mr. Luther".
a bunch of piles of splinters, and sawdust is not as solid as a tree with deep roots.

[Full Quiver]

Talk to us Gerald!

[Pastor Gary]

Well, you've done started a thread, why not facilitate it (at least hypothetically.) Cast your vision brother. Share your criteria with us.

I'd like to move beyond the hypothetical. I'd like to get enough interest to hammer out some basic groundwork.

I'm sick of seing heretics and lunatics lauded from COGOP pulpits.

It requires the leadership of an Elder Statesman figure... someone who has earned wide-spread respect and general admiration... an Apostolic-figure.

I am thinking in terms of a Jack Hayford kind of leader.

[DeWayneTN]

When you guys get this going, will you provide an address for those who want to sow good faith seeds into this venture?

[Gerald Creasy]

It requires the leadership of an Elder Statesman figure... someone who has earned wide-spread respect and general admiration... an Apostolic-figure.

I am thinking in terms of a Jack Hayford kind of leader.

It requires leadership, organization and information.

[Gerald Creasy]

For Discussion:


Foundational Belief #1: The Deity of Christ

Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14). He is fully God and fully man (Col. 2:9) thus, He has two natures: God and man. He is not half God and half man. He is 100% God and 100% man. He never lost his divinity.

Additional Biblical Support (isn't it somewhat ludicrous to have to be so basic?):

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.


(We could go on and on)





In Word of Faith the Deity of Christ is consistently denigrated:

EVIDENCE

"don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you are God...the more you get to be like Me, the more they are going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. But I didn't claim I was God. I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was with Me" (Copeland, "Take Time to Pray," Believer's Voice of Victory, #15, 2 February 1987, p. 9).

"Jesus was on the earth just a man, not the son of God" (Frederick K.C. Price, Tape #RP 19, May 1993).

"You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was" (Kenneth Hagin, The Word of Faith, December 1980, p. 14).

"But Jesus didn't show up perfect, he grew into his perfection. You know Jesus, in one scripture in the Bible he went on a journey, and he was tired. You better hope God don't get tired. Isaiah 50 says, 50, 60, somewhere, says where we have a God who fainteth not, neither is weary (Isa. 40:28). But Jesus did, if he came as God and he got tired, he says he sat down by the well 'cause he was tired. Boy we're in trouble. And somebody said, well, Jesus came as God. Well how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps, nor slumbers. And yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat.

Y'all please listen to me, please listen to me. This ain't no heresy. I am not some false prophet, I am just reading this thing out to you the Bible. I am just telling you all these fantasy preachers have been preaching all of this stuff for all of these years and we bought the package. And the question mark was there. And we are now - faith can never go past that question mark, and we've tolerated and put it up, put up with things that we had authority over ... -- Creflo Dollar

Paul Crouch: "In other words, in so many words, you’re right, no where in the New Testament did he literally get up . . ."

Kenneth Copeland: ". . . preach and claim that He was God . . ."

Paul Crouch: ". . . and say, ‘I am God.’ Did He? I stand corrected."

Since Word of Faith teaching consistently and completely denigrates the deity of Christ it is incumbent upon Bible believing Christians to maintain a proper Biblical belief in realtion to the Nature of Christ.

[Russell Roberts]

I'm in Gerald. Let's call it 'the Gospel'.