Thank you, Mr. President

[oletimer]

irthnvesl Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:44 pm -----

Oletimer, I wish you would make reading my threads more rare. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of your criticism. It you don't like my theology, post your own or try to refute mine from scripture. If you aren't estudious enough to do that you should just keep your mouth shut. I personally think YOUR THEOLOGY STINKS.

I started to say that it doesn't bother me what you think about "my" theology, but that wouldn't be true as I feel that when someone is so reckless with teachings of my savor, and then comes on with a few good saying to keep thing going, does bother me.

post your own or try to refute mine from scripture

Well how about these:

Joh 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.b

Joh 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Ro 8:1
¶ There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I guess you didn't mean this post of your unless they were for you. BTW I'm not saying to go nor to stay.

Honest question from Irthnvesl

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I hope that I am not unduly personalizing another thread but I want to ask an honest question. Do the long time members of this board wish that I would not post here? I realize that I am not your typical poster and don't hold to typical COGOP views and I think that is probably upsetting to some who would rather the nature of this board stay the same. If you would rather me not post here, please, either respond to this thread or send me a PM. If it turns out to be the case that most of the responses are negative, I will stop posting.

Be blessed.

P.S. Don't be afraid to hurt my feelings. I'm a big boy - tough infantry guy.

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[Russell Roberts]

And the scriptures you posted refute what part of my theology?

[oletimer]

To paraphase "from the mouth, the heart speaks"


From your own words is how I see you. I don't expect you to really like me as we don't see eye to eye on the meanings of what Paul meant to CLEANS as in:
2Co 7:1
¶ Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

And while we are at it:

Ro 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

[Tim Elston]

The overriding sense of creating a "beachhead" in Iraq against Islamic extremist makes sense to me. I would have done it, but with more intial force.

That's like defecating on a distant neighbor's patio and sticking fly strips in it to keep flies out of your own back yard. It's neither conservative, nor American, nor humane. In fact, it's evil.

[pastorables]

The overriding sense of creating a "beachhead" in Iraq against Islamic extremist makes sense to me. I would have done it, but with more intial force.

That's like defecating on a distant neighbor's patio and sticking fly strips in it to keep flies out of your own back yard. It's neither conservative, nor American, nor humane. In fact, it's evil.

Kind of like when God instructed Israel to completely eradicate the Amelakites? Again, war and killing is an historical fact of life.

Though they didn't fully obey, leaving some of the race and livestock alive, which brought about persecution from this enemy in the future.

pa

[Shellie]

Oltimer and Irthnvesl,

Please carry the doctrinal and theology debate to the Doctrine forum so that I do not have to move this otherwise engaging thread. Thank you.

[scooter]

The overriding sense of creating a "beachhead" in Iraq against Islamic extremist makes sense to me. I would have done it, but with more intial force.

That's like defecating on a distant neighbor's patio and sticking fly strips in it to keep flies out of your own back yard. It's neither conservative, nor American, nor humane. In fact, it's evil.

Response: Tell you what, IF IN HEAVEN, the rainbow represents gay pride, there are cup holders on the elders thrones for their favorite brewski, and I see you and Irthin holding hands with Rev. Wright singing a chorus of G D America, while watching a few Islamic Extremist terrorist bombers frolic with their virgins, I'll be the first to confess that you were right and the narrow way was much more broad than I had thought.


Really, your premise that Iraq, as a neighbor, was akin to the Cleaver's place is laughable.

[Russell Roberts]

That was quite a colorful and engaging picture Scooter.

[scooter]

That was quite a colorful and engaging picture Scooter.

Response: Careful who you choose as bedfellows.

[Russell Roberts]

Scooter, my bedfellow is the Truth which tends to get crucified. Even Paul acknowledged the truth understood by his opponents on Mars Hill. Truth is not the sole property of Christians. All truth belongs to God. Pagans recognize some truth, they just tend to draw the wrong conclusions about that truth. We must engage our culture, take captive the truth that it is able to grasp, baptize it, and make it obedient to Jesus Christ.

[scooter]

Scooter, my bedfellow is the Truth which tends to get crucified. Even Paul acknowledged the truth understood by his opponents on Mars Hill. Truth is not the sole property of Christians. All truth belongs to God. Pagans recognize some truth, they just tend to draw the wrong conclusions about that truth. We must engage our culture, take captive the truth that it is able to grasp, baptize it, and make it obedient to Jesus Christ.

Response: Oh you poor victim. You don't get crucified because of truth but rather for borish behavior mixed with slanted perhaps somewhat twisted truths.

In bedfellows I was speaking of you and Tim's stroking of one anothers thought processes.

You waste time talking about sex in heaven WITH NO SCRIPTURE and then demand others produce scripture for what they say.

[crispfin]

Scooter, my bedfellow is the Truth which tends to get crucified. Even Paul acknowledged the truth understood by his opponents on Mars Hill. Truth is not the sole property of Christians. All truth belongs to God. Pagans recognize some truth, they just tend to draw the wrong conclusions about that truth. We must engage our culture, take captive the truth that it is able to grasp, baptize it, and make it obedient to Jesus Christ.

I like that, irthnvesl. It brought to mind something I read from Thomas Merton yesterday:

"If reality revolts us, if we merely turn away from it in disgust, to whom shall we sacrifice it? How shall we consecrate it? How shall we make it a gift to God and to man?"

[Russell Roberts]

Scooter, my bedfellow is the Truth which tends to get crucified. Even Paul acknowledged the truth understood by his opponents on Mars Hill. Truth is not the sole property of Christians. All truth belongs to God. Pagans recognize some truth, they just tend to draw the wrong conclusions about that truth. We must engage our culture, take captive the truth that it is able to grasp, baptize it, and make it obedient to Jesus Christ.

Response: Oh you poor victim. You don't get crucified because of truth but rather for borish behavior mixed with slanted perhaps somewhat twisted truths.

In bedfellows I was speaking of you and Tim's stroking of one anothers thought processes.

You waste time talking about sex in heaven WITH NO SCRIPTURE and then demand others produce scripture for what they say.

Who the heck is playing the victim? Not me. That was an allusion to the crucifixion of Jesus not me. It was an allusion of what happened in the events of the ministry of Jesus. Truth met tradition and truth won out even though it LOOKED like a defeat for the truth. I'm no victim sir - I am a victor.

I didn't waste your time either - how could I? I didn't force you to read that post - you chose too. Furthermore, I presented it as speculation. My simple argument is that my speculation regarding the issue can't be refuted from scripture.

[scooter]

Who the heck is playing the victim? Not me. That was an allusion to the crucifixion of Jesus not me. It was an allusion of what happened in the events of the ministry of Jesus. Truth met tradition and truth won out even though it LOOKED like a defeat for the truth. I'm no victim sir - I am a victor.

I didn't waste your time either - how could I? I didn't force you to read that post - you chose too. Furthermore, I presented it as speculation. My simple argument is that my speculation regarding the issue can't be refuted from scripture.

Response: When you suffer, be careful it is not self imposed by improper actions. The waste of time was yours. You would be better served at using your skills and intellect to develop helpful avenues of thought. JMO

[Russell Roberts]

Well, Scooter, would you read one of my posts in which I did? I would love to discuss some of Paul's arguments over in the doctrine forum with you.