I have had enough of New Ageish Worship music.

[soulsearcher]

Personally i like Great Speckled Bird,.....

What a beautiful thought.

yea, making me hungry too.

RP, that bird is NOT made out of SPAM.

[dawgs10]

Not to be contrary (too late), but I have never ever thought of money or prosperity when singing "nothing compares to the promise I have in You" and I think I've sang "Shout at the Lord" about a million times.

There was context to the comment DeWayne. If you are in a church that constantly preaches about money increase and prosperity as a promise THEN when you sing about a promis what would you think of??

your reaching gerald. worship is about worship. (worshiping God of course.) read the june edition of charisma. it has stories of Leading worship leaders today and it is amazing. Jeremy Camp while losing his wife to ovarian cancer felt God urging him to raise his hands and worship. he said at the heart of true worship and praise to God, my mind, heart and will must submit before Him. the words to a song has nothing to do with that if you have ever experienced that kind of worship. and again gerald, the goal of a worship time should be to worship. very few hymns lead into worship. sure some may be very bibicaly based but thats a sermon, not a worship song. worship music is between the person and God. but when you are singing about what the church needs to do or about what the church did? well, thats not worship.

[Gerald Creasy]

your reaching gerald. worship is about worship. (worshiping God of course.) read the june edition of charisma. it has stories of Leading worship leaders today and it is amazing. Jeremy Camp while losing his wife to ovarian cancer felt God urging him to raise his hands and worship. he said at the heart of true worship and praise to God, my mind, heart and will must submit before Him. the words to a song has nothing to do with that if you have ever experienced that kind of worship. and again gerald, the goal of a worship time should be to worship. very few hymns lead into worship. sure some may be very bibicaly based but thats a sermon, not a worship song. worship music is between the person and God. but when you are singing about what the church needs to do or about what the church did? well, thats not worship.

Again I question the reading skills of the general public.

I have made NONE of the reaches or made ANY claim that we need to sing about the church or what the church did.

Your comments have NO RELEVANCE to the point I have made half a dozen times so plainly a simpleton should understand.

Apparantly, now, if someone claims to be healed....even our worship songs dont really have to say anything of substance.

Why don't we just skip the words and boogie for the Lord? We're almost there now anyway (and some churches ARE there).

Of course then someone would complain this was just dancing, and then some idiot would claim somebodys second cousin's mothers hair dresser was healed and HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE!!!???

[dawgs10]

your reaching gerald. worship is about worship. (worshiping God of course.) read the june edition of charisma. it has stories of Leading worship leaders today and it is amazing. Jeremy Camp while losing his wife to ovarian cancer felt God urging him to raise his hands and worship. he said at the heart of true worship and praise to God, my mind, heart and will must submit before Him. the words to a song has nothing to do with that if you have ever experienced that kind of worship. and again gerald, the goal of a worship time should be to worship. very few hymns lead into worship. sure some may be very bibicaly based but thats a sermon, not a worship song. worship music is between the person and God. but when you are singing about what the church needs to do or about what the church did? well, thats not worship.

Again I question the reading skills of the general public.

I have made NONE of the reaches or made ANY claim that we need to sing about the church or what the church did.

Your comments have NO RELEVANCE to the point I have made half a dozen times so plainly a simpleton should understand.

Apparantly, now, if someone claims to be healed....even our worship songs dont really have to say anything of substance.

Why don't we just skip the words and boogie for the Lord? We're almost there now anyway (and some churches ARE there).

Of course then someone would complain this was just dancing, and then some idiot would claim somebodys second cousin's mothers hair dresser was healed and HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE!!!???

i have no idea what your talking about!! here is what you have said. you dont like worship music that has the word Him in it. your reasoning is it should say God. you dont like worship music that says the same thing over and over. you think that worsip music should be a sermon. i am saying that you have no idea what your talking about. those that criticize all the time are just plain critical all the time.

[dawgs10]

well, im off to church where i will sing over and over about Him

[bibleguy]

I too love many of the old hymns and they certainly deserve a place in our personal and corporate P&W. Some of these are extremely deep and rich in truth. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God and many of these songs can be attributed to stirring faith in the lost and leading them to a saving knowledge of Christ. I still sing many of these today such as Victory in Jesus.

On the other hand many of the hymns that we have sung are more about promoting "us" and not the Lord and His work. These songs have aided and abetted in the promotion of haughty feelings among religious groups, denom.'s, etc. One such example is "I'm on the battlefield". Notice the self promotion?

I agree with you that this is a great topic. I also agree that some songs promote "us" and not "Him." However I disagree on your example. I'm on the Battlefield is a song of purpose, not of self promotion or focus on the creature more than the Creator (IMO). If that's the case, the same would be true with "O How I love Him," because it is about me loving Him.

Your point is a good one, I just don't thing I'm on the Battlefield is the best example to get it over. I do remember Tammy Faye Baker (I think it was her) singing "We're it! We're it" to the tune of "The Joy of the Lord is my Strength," that would be a good example.

[DaJudge]

Gerald, I think this thread belongs on the "TCOG Talk" website. (With apologies to my friend onelove).

[Gerald Creasy]

i have no idea what your talking about!!

And yet you open your mouth anyway.

here is what you have said. you dont like worship music that has the word Him in it. your reasoning is it should say God."

This is an ultr-oversimplification. Overstated to such an extent as to be a false charge.

you dont like worship music that says the same thing over and over.

If you knew your Bible you would know thqat it talks against vain repetition.

you think that worsip music should be a sermon.

Idiocy unparalleled. Only an absolute simpleton would get that from what I have said.

i am saying that you have no idea what your talking about.

I dare say I do. I Know the SIMPLICITY and DUMBING DOWN of worship songs has been documented, displayed, and even complained about by others.

Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the complaint because now that they are "dumbed down" they've just reached the level your intellect can comprehend??

those that criticize all the time are just plain critical all the time.

Then quit your criticizing by mainting false witness and accusations.

[one love]

Gerald, I think this thread belongs on the "TCOG Talk" website. (With apologies to my friend onelove).

[Full Quiver]

I am on the battlefield for my Lord.
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord,
and I promised Him that I
would serve Him 'til I die;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.

Verse 1
I was alone and idle, I was a sinner too.
I heard a voice from heaven say there is work to do.
I took the Master's hand, and I joined the Christian band;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.

Chorus

Verse 2
I left my friends and kindred bound for the Promised Land,
the grace of God upon me, the Bible in my hands.
In distant lands I trod, crying sinner come to God;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.

Chorus

Verse 3
Now when I met my Savior, I met Him with a smile,
He healed my wounded spirit, and owned me as His child.
Around the throne of grace, He appoints my soul a place;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.

Chorus

I know this is slightly different than the version most of us are accustomed to but nevertheless the self promotion is the same. This song screams "Look what I am doing/have done!" There isn't much humility, a huge part of worship, portrayed in these lyrics.

[paul]

[/quote] Verse 1
I was alone and idle, I was a sinner too.
I heard a voice from heaven say there is work to do.
I took the Master's hand, and I joined the Christian band;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.

Chorus

Verse 2
I left my friends and kindred bound for the Promised Land,
the grace of God upon me, the Bible in my hands.
In distant lands I trod, crying sinner come to God;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord. [/quote]

Gee sounds like my life. Maybe a song of testimony ? don't see any self promotion. I thnik this song should be sung more than ever. If the church has lost sight of anything it is the fact that we are in a war, and we are litteraly on a battlefield. And souls are at stake. It is not some sunday morning game we are playing.

[rough_rider]

you dont like worship music that says the same thing over and over.

If you knew your Bible you would know thqat it talks against vain repetition.

Speaking of vain repetition j/k

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Some of those new style worship songs should be thrown out, there is one the course goes........."La la la la la la la la la la" ...I dislike that song so much so, to me it's a sin to sing it and call it worship. To me that is vain repetition

[Mike Vande]

Verse 1
I was alone and idle, I was a sinner too.
I heard a voice from heaven say there is work to do.
I took the Master's hand, and I joined the Christian band;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.
Chorus
Verse 2
I left my friends and kindred bound for the Promised Land,
the grace of God upon me, the Bible in my hands.
[b]In distant lands I trod, crying sinner come to God;
I'm on the battlefield for my Lord.
Gee sounds like my life. Maybe a song of testimony ? don't see any self promotion.

Frankly, I see his point. Why is the song about what "I" did instead of what Jesus did for him/her/it?

the one that totally demonstrates the idea in question here is one I absolutely hate;

"Well I went to the enemy's camp,

and I took back what he stole from me

took back what he stole from me

took back what he stole from me.

Well I went to the enemy's camp,

and I took back what he stole from me.

He under my feet, he's under my feet,

Satan is under my feet."

That song only talks about two people; Satan and this ubiquitous "I" who seems to be taking Jesus' place as the only one worthy of honor and glory and power...

[soulsearcher]

Paul, I can't think of any song that states the mission of every christian any better than this one. They don't write them like this anymore.



Rescue the perishing, Care for the dying,
Snatch them in pity from sin and the grave;
Weep o're the erring one, Lift up the fallen,
Tell them of Jesus the mighty to save.

Tho' they are slighting Him, Still He is waiting,
Waiting the penitent child to receive;
Plead with them earnestly, Plead with them gently,
He will obey if they only believe.

Down in the human heart, Crushed by the tempter,
Feelings lie buried that grace can restore;
Touched by a loving heart, Wakened by kindness,
Chords that are broken will vibrate once more.

Rescue the perishing, Duty demands it;
Strength for thy labor the Lord will provide;
Back to the narrow way, Patiently win them,
Tell the poor wand'rer a Savior has died.

Rescue the perishing, Care for the dying;
Jesus is merciful, Jesus will save.

[Full Quiver]

Gee sounds like my life. Maybe a song of testimony ?

True we are made overcomers by the word of our testimony BUT this is not Worship. Sing it during testimony time. In fact most people have trod in distant lands Paul so to sing it is a lie.