Lee connection - gay pop-duo

[Shellie]

Hey, since there are so many little fires being kindled on this one thread, I thought about moving it to another forum just to start another fire.

[DaJudge]

I have no desire to bash Lee. Its a good school, even if it has a liberal leaning. If I had serious reservations about the school my Wife and Daughter would not have gotten B.A.s form there. I have spent many thousands of dollars at that school.

Dude, if you think Lee is liberal, you should pay a visit to a state liberal arts university. Lee will look like Bob Jones in comparison.

[Pastor Bill]

I have no desire to bash Lee. Its a good school, even if it has a liberal leaning. If I had serious reservations about the school my Wife and Daughter would not have gotten B.A.s form there. I have spent many thousands of dollars at that school.

"even if it has a liberal leaning"

Could you quantify that? working in the academic world, in a school considered comparable to Lee, and working together with them in many organizations, Lee is known as one of the more conservative schools, and these comments seem to come out of nowhere.

I am sure things happen at Lee (as do at all schools) that some pastors don't approve of, not everyone attending Lee is trying to live up to the standards taught. But aside from that, what do you feel makes Lee "Liberal" (remember Liberal is a VERY vague term to some meaning left wing, anything goes humanists, and to another someone who allows women to wear pants) Liberal by what standards?

[Mat]

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[free]

I've got several kids from my church attending Lee and one more going this year...From all I hear it's a great school that has it's share of issues and problems.

When I was at TC there were people involved in a homosexual lifestyle (guys/girls)...I don't think TC "made" them that way...Some were still trying to find themselves...Others were trying new things...And I know of a few who are still openly homosexual many years later...I don't blame or critize the school for any of that.

[Cpt. Jack]

PASTOR BILL:

"even if it has a liberal leaning" Could you quantify that?

To be fair I have been away form that area for sometime. My main statement about liberal leaning comes form COG Pastors who have their own reservations about their own school.

Pastor Bill I will CAPITULATE on this issue.

[Cpt. Jack]

Matt:

What has troubled me over the years is how willing we are to overlook warning signs and unable to discern their problems. I would even suggest, as the culture of our churches have changed in the sincere effort to reach the lost, that it is easier today for homosexuals and bi-sexuals to worship and even minister among us then ever before.

Yes and Amen

[Pastor Bill]

PASTOR BILL:

"even if it has a liberal leaning" Could you quantify that?

To be fair I have been away form that area for sometime. My main statement about liberal leaning comes form COG Pastors who have their own reservations about their own school.

Pastor Bill I will CAPITULATE on this issue.

So in other words this is all hearsay and gossip which you cannot substantiate and quite possibly may be nothing more than false accusations. This is the root of the problem, while we have many ready to hunt down a few struggling with the sin of homosexuality that might be hiding in our churches, we openly engage and even seem to promote these other sins.

Oh my, there may be sinners among us, we can't have that! They may hear the gospel and want to change! We could be accused of eating and fellowshipping with tax collectors and sinners!

As long as we are not compromising the Word, what's the problem? I'd say it's more the attitude of a self-righteous church than the sins that Christ came to forgive.

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MAT wrote:

it is easier today for homosexuals and bi-sexuals to worship...among us then ever before.

I hope that's true and I hope that they are drawn to Christ by the love they feel from us and that they will forsake their sins.

it is easier today for homosexuals and bi-sexuals to...minister among us then ever before.

Not sure I follow your logic on that one! Please tell me you not saying that since we changed the d&r thing that now bi-sexuals and homosexuals will be preaching from our pulpits.

[RamboPreacher]

MAT wrote:

it is easier today for homosexuals and bi-sexuals to worship...among us then ever before.

I hope that's true and I hope that they are drawn to Christ by the love they feel from us and that they will forsake their sins.

it is easier today for homosexuals and bi-sexuals to...minister among us then ever before.

Not sure I follow your logic on that one! Please tell me you not saying that since we changed the d&r thing that now bi-sexuals and homosexuals will be preaching from our pulpits.

good call Free - my thoughts and question exactly. (though I am not sure I may have related it to the marriage document recommendations that were passed)

[free]

I hear you Rambo but I did hear a lot of people saying that once we changed that then we'd have homosexuals joining and pastoring our churches.

Problem is, there already are members and pastor's struggling with this in their lives whether we want to admit it or not. Maybe I read too much into MAT's post but I'm sure he'll set the record straight!

[Mat]

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MAT wrote:

What I was saying is that we can "miss the mark" when we are overly accepting of the current culture to the point that we do not challenge this behavior as being wrong.

Jesus said something about being in the world but not of it...We are surrounded by sin (which includes homosexuality)...There are some organizations that have accepted this but I'm not aware of any CoG/COGOP churches that accpet this behavior...I will accept the people involved in this lifestyle, love them, pray for them, but I will never say that it is acceptable.

[Worshipn4ever]

A) it doesn't surprise me that a gay duo has come from Lee...

B) it's not that Lee is liberal...it's like someone said...it's the students that come there...Lee itself is very strick...its just the students like to push the envelope...

C) this is what I tell youth when they ask me about Lee...it's got its good points and it's got its bad points...just like every other school. You've got the party hardy people...you've got the drug addicts...you've got the homosexuals...you've got the sex addicts...you've got the players...you've got the religious freaks...you've got the...you get the point. It's like every other college...it just happens to have a "Christian" title...

D) if you think that CoGoP doesn't have its issues with homosexuality in its churches/school...you need to open your eyes. go work a camp this summer and tell me that our youth doesn't have problems with their sexuality...and its not just our youth...

E) and coming from someone who has probably more friends who are either flat out gay or who have dealt with homosexuality, than heterosexual friends...we as a church needs prayer...for godly men and women who can love those without judging them for what they have done in the past or what the lifestyle they are living in...and it's HARD...when you want the best for them...yet at the same time knowing that you can't change them...it has to be a God thing (and maybe I am just a wishful thinker or truly do have faith that God is a powerful God and can change their hearts/lifestyle) and THEY have to be willing to change...

ok...I'm done...cause I could SO go on...