Former Press Secretary McClellan's new book rips Bush

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Postby Who new » May 29th, 2008, 4:03 am

He's said that the Bush administration lied us into war! There are now more than four thousand dead Americans because of it. Your head has been somewhere that it ought not be if you think that's NOT a big deal. Any honest idiot can see this is bigger than a Scot McClellan personal agenda. Especially since he's not the first to leave the Bush machine with like minded accusations.

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Postby DeWayneTN » May 29th, 2008, 8:17 am

A liberal blogger suggests McClellan donate the proceeds from his book to fallen soldiers if he is truly sorry to be a part of the deception. He also asks - where's the apology?
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Postby one love » May 29th, 2008, 8:28 am

DeWayneTN wrote:A liberal blogger suggests McClellan donate the proceeds from his book to fallen soldiers if he is truly sorry to be a part of the deception. He also asks - where's the apology?



hmmmm there is a good thought, well sure that would not happen. Is it so hard to believe that he has an agenda here.

BTW i take this very serious, very serious. By doing so I dont jump up with every little criticism of the president without knowing the facts becuase someone who was employeed and pushed the agenda suddenly is no longer employeed and comes out with a book a spefic time. Just maybe he was asked to leave, so he saw his chance. Maybe there is some truth to some of it, maybe he just wanted to get back at the president and get rich in the mean time knowing his political career is over.
If this is true he is guilty as well. As would be Rice, Powell, and most the democratic and republican party, if you think they dont get intelligence reports then you are mistaken. Bush could not have just fooled the world to go to war.
Next the weapons were said to be there by the united nations ( are they apart of this plot) the united nations voted on this as well, they just did not see out the consequences, we did. How many resolutions were passed before we went????????
I forgot we went to war for oil that we uhhh never got......
Next UMMMMM did we convince Sadaam to not let us inpspect as was the agreement for the last decade ( that would also make him a accomplice , sure that is the case) All he had to do was let us inspect...he was given a deadline. The better question should be if someone does not really think weapons were there when the entire world including Bill Clinton said they were, that would not be taking Saddam's character i the correct light.
The weapons are somewhere most likely seria or Iran, but they were there unless the entire U.N. and both parties in the U.S. were wrong.

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Postby soulsearcher » May 29th, 2008, 9:54 am

Full Quiver wrote:If he was so on Bush's team then why exactly is he a former employee?


Maybe because he was a lousy employee...?

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Postby TC » May 29th, 2008, 1:37 pm

soulsearcher wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:If he was so on Bush's team then why exactly is he a former employee?


Maybe because he was a lousy employee...?


That is 100% correct, and if you watched any of his "press conferences" you could see how bad he really was. The problem is Bush is too loyal and kept him there way longer than he should have. He was in over his head from day one.

Here are some facts that give light to the type of person he is. He made assumptions about conversations he was not involved in just because he was not a part of that crowd. He made assumptions that Karl, Dick and Scooter like about the plame thing because he knew they knew more than they told him. His book still places the blame on those three even after it was proven they did not do what they were have said to have done (and never charged with)

The most telling is the off the cuff comments he made to reporters about others writing books and not speaking up while they were in the office, or stepping down and then speak their mind. IF that was the way he felt then (as he says is the case now) why didn't he follow his own advice? Why is it he only speaks up now after he was asked to leave, Why is it now when he decides to have a conscience? Because Now it will fill the bank.


I guess now we see as long as they were paying him he would say anything, and now we are seeing it again, Only now he knows the way to sell books (get paid) is to go against this administration, So according to his past history, He will say what ever he has to, to get paid.

If he had stepped down in protest and spoke his mind then I would have no problem with him. Now I have NO TIME for his lame attempt at cashing in on his 15 mins...


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Postby Full Quiver » May 29th, 2008, 2:41 pm

McClennan is a Texan and was with Bush from day one. When Ari F. left McClennan was put in his spot. No he was not Ari or Tony Snow but if Bush thought he was not right for the job he could have been put in another position. Scott was a family friend of Bush and according to ALL the Bush people that are talking Scott was totally loyal and him and Bush were on the same page. With all that said it's hard to believe he was a lousy employee. Cholerics LOVE folks that are loyal and keep their opinions and thoughts to themselves; those folks don't get fired. Bush, like most politicians, is obviously choleric.

Onelove, I made that analogy because many here at J2 now renounce the things they taught and believed for many years but now we are to accept them and NEVER question WHY they sucked it up for so many years. I do not say this in harshness but to make a point.
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Postby TC » May 29th, 2008, 3:37 pm

Full Quiver wrote:McClennan is a Texan and was with Bush from day one. When Ari F. left McClennan was put in his spot. No he was not Ari or Tony Snow but if Bush thought he was not right for the job he could have been put in another position. Scott was a family friend of Bush and according to ALL the Bush people that are talking Scott was totally loyal and him and Bush were on the same page. With all that said it's hard to believe he was a lousy employee. Cholerics LOVE folks that are loyal and keep their opinions and thoughts to themselves; those folks don't get fired. Bush, like most politicians, is obviously choleric.
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OK so now you prove others points when trying to make your own? He was a family friend, Bush gave him a shot because they needed someone, Yes W could have put him in alot of positions, but didn't that should tell you something, He was not up for Sec of State. Yes the Bush people are saying that he was loyal because up until now he had been. EVERYONE thought they were on the same page, because Scott either one, felt that way and is changing his mind NOW, or was that way then and kept quite until now because he was not getting paid....OH I forgot Scott said he felt that way then so the second has to be the reason.

OK for you to say you find it hard to believe he was a lousy employee must mean you did not pay attention during his time as Pres Sec, and that you never watched him look like a deer in the headlights on the news night after night. At that time several people said how bad he was and he was a bad choice and how he only got the job because he was a "friend" and BECAUSE he was a friend, when eveyone was calling for his head, W let him get thru a rough patch and then allow him to step down instead of being canned. W has proven time after time to be more loyal to people that people are to him.

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Postby Full Quiver » May 29th, 2008, 4:04 pm

He worked in the admin before he was press sec. If he were lousy as press sec. then he could have been put back in his original position. Maybe he looked like a deer caught in the headlights because when asked tough questions he knew things but was told to say other things by the admin.

I don't know but I certainly ain't jumping on either side of the bandwagon like most folks are. He maybe lying now or he may have lied then. Either way he would be a liar.
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Postby TC » May 30th, 2008, 12:38 am

you need to wake up and join the real world. Yes he worked for the admin before but think about it, IF he was to leave the press sec job and go back to previous job, everyone would have seen that W (and most of the free world) were not happy with the job he had done and he was being demoted to his previous job.

W was so loyal to him to allow him to step out of the job and use the old "to be with my family" excuse and not have the whole world know he was so bad at the job even his friend fired him. Also how fair would that be if W put him back in that position and the person he had that spot would then be fired because a friend was not good at his job.

You are taking sides you just won't admit it. As you have said he is a liar no doubt about it, so the question is do you believe a proven, admitted liar when he lies thing now or before. Well to do that you need to look at the facts. Facts like when he admits he "thinks" this is what was said but was not in the room when it was said, When he thinks the POTUS said something and others say it did not happen. This whole issue is about who is believeable, one guy who never said anything before and speaks now when he can push his book or several other people who have said his claims are not true. NO one who was there has come out to support his claims, everyone who was there has said they don't know where this is coming from.

the saying goes "follow the money", when you follow the money you can see he only gets paid if he trashes W and his friends. That is the only way his book and name in the news and on all of the talk shows. NO WAY that would have happened If he had not trashed this Admin, even his mom would not have bought the book. That is because he was a failure at his Press Sec job and the only reason people are calling him is because he is trashing W. It is sad that someone would stoop so low to trash someone who has supported him.

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Postby jdavis » May 30th, 2008, 8:27 am

I like what Bob Dole had to say about it:
"There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues," Dole wrote in a message sent yesterday morning. "No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique."

Michael Marshall, Dole's spokesman and colleague at the Alston Bird law firm, confirms the message came from the former senator and presidential candidate. "Yes, it is authentic," Marshall wrote in an email.

"In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you," Dole writes, recounting his years representing Kansas in the House and Senate. "No doubt you will 'clean up' as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, 'Biting The Hand That Fed Me.' Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years"

Dole assures McClellan that he won't read the book -- "because if all these awful things were happening, and perhaps some may have been, you should have spoken up publicly like a man, or quit your cushy, high profile job"

"That would have taken integrity and courage but then you would have had credibility and your complaints could have been aired objectively," Dole concludes. "You’re a hot ticket now but don’t you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?"

He signs the email simply: "BOB DOLE"

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Postby TC » May 30th, 2008, 1:14 pm

yet another reason to like Bob Dole. I heard that as well today it is great to hear such a real statesman tell it like it is.

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Postby Full Quiver » May 30th, 2008, 1:51 pm

I'll leave it at this.... If he had quit a year into his employment and spoke out to the American public then he would still have been criticized for speaking out. It is a lose/lose for Scott. Why not give the guy his room to speak his mind? One way or another he is a liar and if you for one second think everything that comes out of any Presidential admin. is truth then you cannot be helped.
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Postby one love » May 30th, 2008, 5:13 pm

Full Quiver wrote:I'll leave it at this.... If he had quit a year into his employment and spoke out to the American public then he would still have been criticized for speaking out. It is a lose/lose for Scott. Why not give the guy his room to speak his mind? One way or another he is a liar and if you for one second think everything that comes out of any Presidential admin. is truth then you cannot be helped.


actually it is a win win for him , he has spoke his mind and got paid at the same time :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes I think most all politcians lie.... :wink:

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