Pastoral Background

[Full Quiver]

I guess I am considered part of the invasion of privacy group but I am more than for pastors and OVERSEERS as well as all HQ staff (though I don't have a dog in that hunt) being given a full blown background check. If it's good enough for a cable guy then it's good enough for a "man of God".

Billy, correct me if I am wrong but I assume that remark was meant for me and a few others including potential camp workers in your state. The NC CoGoP camp background check clearly states that the credit will be checked while you set back on your haunches and say otherwise. You expect Penny to sign away her rights and instead of doing something about it you make such a remark,

INVASION OF PRIVACY GROUP

, that I again assume is for Dolfan, Penny, and I.

By the way, what gives the NC camp committee or whatever the right to require such a check but the ministry of NC does not have to go through a check? Why start with volunteers?

[RamboPreacher]

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By the way, what gives the NC camp committee or whatever the right to require such a check but the ministry of NC does not have to go through a check? Why start with volunteers?

I am not him, but does there need to be a "right"? if that is what insurance requires what they require and there is little or nothing that can change the process, then you either sign and volunteer, or you don't.

With that said, I completely understand the hesitancy for a credit check for camp volunteer, as mentioned in that other thread.

and I agree that pastors and all leadership need to have this done. but it will take some time, as it isn't free.

[Billy n NC]

I guess I am considered part of the invasion of privacy group but I am more than for pastors and OVERSEERS as well as all HQ staff (though I don't have a dog in that hunt) being given a full blown background check. If it's good enough for a cable guy then it's good enough for a "man of God".

Billy, correct me if I am wrong but I assume that remark was meant for me and a few others including potential camp workers in your state. The NC CoGoP camp background check clearly states that the credit will be checked while you set back on your haunches and say otherwise. You expect Penny to sign away her rights and instead of doing something about it you make such a remark,

INVASION OF PRIVACY GROUP

, that I again assume is for Dolfan, Penny, and I.

By the way, what gives the NC camp committee or whatever the right to require such a check but the ministry of NC does not have to go through a check? Why start with volunteers?

Why NOT? Number 1 they the controlling factor. If they so wished they could not allow me or anyone else to work in camp for any reason they want.

Let me say this. I agree with one of the posters on this thread or the other. If people are in control of money , they need to be checked.

Whoever thry are.

I did find one thing out and that is our Insurance Company is not REQUIRING this of us. I was misinformed on that one. But in the case of a lawsuit our insurance company would ask a series of questions and whether we did criminal checks on staff or not would be top of the list. Our state staff is being proactive in this real world we live in.

As far as the IOPG statement . If the shoe fits. Tie the strings and wear it.

Take a deep breath. this thread is its original statement concerning CREDIT CHECK of ministry.. Thats different than a criminal check the last I checked. Criminal Checks is public info. Credit is personal.

And again I say the form does not say that the State of NC COGOP is going to get a Credit Check. It is not clear. It says they could but does not say they are....

Man I miss the spellchecker.. LOL

[pastorables]

Credit card debt is one thing. Unexpected medical bills are another. A bad credit history may not mean a bad steward.

Credit card debt and medical debt is often one and the same. We have substantial credit card debt due to medical bills. Even so, God has been faithful to help us keep the bills paid and the credit rating good.

pa

[stevenson]

Haha! I didn't want to hi-jack Penny's thread about background checks on camp volunteers. And I think both of our threads caught hi-jacked! Oh well!

Most insurance companies are asking churches to do background checks on their youth & children's workers. I just think it would be common sense to do a background check on someone who is wanting to obtain a minister's licence.

I don't see a problem with a credit check either. I do think if anything shows up, you should be given the chance to explain. And the state presbytery should take it into consideration before allowing you to go forward.

[one love]

Haha! I didn't want to hi-jack Penny's thread about background checks on camp volunteers. And I think both of our threads caught hi-jacked! Oh well!

Most insurance companies are asking churches to do background checks on their youth & children's workers. I just think it would be common sense to do a background check on someone who is wanting to obtain a minister's licence.

I don't see a problem with a credit check either. I do think if anything shows up, you should be given the chance to explain. And the state presbytery should take it into consideration before allowing you to go forward.

you think one could explain but does that mean they could. What if they have bankruptcy does that disqualify them. Would one assume they are bad stewards or ask the truth that some have to do that because of medical bills. I know in this area "Sentara" is the owner of around 10 or more hospitals within 20 miles of my house, not mention the abundant of medical offices and such they own, they are very aggressive about collecting and will and can take 50 percent of your income by garnishment. WHat if one has a car repo. becuase they lost a job but very easily afforded that car before hand. Or a buisness owner that was doing good but because of economy issues and as many are seeing the crumbling housing market and needed to file bankrupt or have severly bad credit.

Im just giving examples that I feel have nothing to do with being in the ministry at all. Some people work multiple jobs ot pay off medical bills, IRS, and debt that occured trying to just keep food on the table, do not assume they are bad stewards. That is easy to assume if your cost of living is low but as I said if a single parent makes 30k ayear and tries to take care of a family it would be VERY hard and that is the problem.

I dont see why anyone would need this info what would disqualify them, Judgements? well that happens in medical sitautions all the time. I am so confused by this and yes regarding this count me in with Dolfan and Fullquiver call me whatever it is wrong....I dont care about criminal backround because people a re more scared of the world then they are in there trust to appoint. I know I will be slammed on that but I dont hav e a problem with a backround check, I know many that have never commited a crime that would. Because it is a little invasive.

This has nothing t do with any situation of my personal life i am speaking my opinions of this.

[RamboPreacher]

I guess, in my opinion, I had assumed that case by case basis means that the reviewer and the review-ee are actually communicating and the reviewer isn't just reading the papers and making judgment calls.

[stevenson]

Rambo, exactly! And I think alot of people have credit problems or go through a tough time. But if you have a 10 or 15 year span of problems....that might raise a red flag to check into things further.

[dolfan]

I think a thorough background check, and even a psych profile, is appropriate for people who want to be professional ministers.

And, Billy, I have no quarrel with you personally at all -- we just have a very different opinion about something important. Hope you don't take my giving my opinions as affronts in any way, and I don't apologize for having those opinions and don't expect you to, either. Like you said, "it is what it is."

[one love]

I think a thorough background check, and even a psych profile, is appropriate for people who want to be professional ministers.

And, Billy, I have no quarrel with you personally at all -- we just have a very different opinion about something important. Hope you don't take my giving my opinions as affronts in any way, and I don't apologize for having those opinions and don't expect you to, either. Like you said, "it is what it is."

Dolfan I dont think you said anything offensive and even know that Billy may disagree a little but he never said nothing to offend me either

[stevenson]

dolfan wrote:

and even a psych profile

Haha! We might not have any ministers left! But seriously, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Pastor Bill]

dolfan wrote:

and even a psych profile

Haha! We might not have any ministers left! But seriously, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Some have said you'd have to be crazy to desire this job!