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Postby Pastor Gary » March 28th, 2008, 1:50 pm

forestwalker wrote:That sounds like a bad idea. :)


It sounds like a bad idea to me, too. But if you destroy the profit-motive of successful businesses, and try to turn them into charitable organizations, the go belly-up and everyone loses.
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Postby forestwalker » March 28th, 2008, 2:01 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:
forestwalker wrote:That sounds like a bad idea. :)

It sounds like a bad idea to me, too. But if you destroy the profit-motive of successful businesses, and try to turn them into charitable organizations, the go belly-up and everyone loses.

I don't disagree with that but I think you're conceding to a false choice.
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Postby Pastor Gary » March 28th, 2008, 2:21 pm

forestwalker wrote:I don't disagree with that but I think you're conceding to a false choice.


I don't think government intervention is the answer, either.
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Postby dawgs10 » March 29th, 2008, 2:45 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:
forestwalker wrote:I don't disagree with that but I think you're conceding to a false choice.


I don't think government intervention is the answer, either.


sounds like we have a lot of folks on jude2 that would have supported hoover. i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.

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Postby MrDanger » March 29th, 2008, 2:50 pm

dawgs10 wrote: i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.


Who do you work for? Unless it is full time ministry or own your own business, I am guessing you work for someone who is richer than you are. Therefore, you benefit from trickle down economics. Pretty simple.
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Postby dawgs10 » March 29th, 2008, 2:53 pm

MrDanger wrote:
dawgs10 wrote: i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.


Who do you work for? Unless it is full time ministry or own your own business, I am guessing you work for someone who is richer than you are. Therefore, you benefit from trickle down economics. Pretty simple.


i benefit from the sweat i leave at work. i minister for free.

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Postby MrDanger » March 29th, 2008, 3:50 pm

That's great. Now answer the question. Do you work for a poor person or a rich person? If the person is richer than you are, then you have benefited from Trickle Down economics. Once again, if you answer the question, it's pretty simple.
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Postby Pastor Bill » March 31st, 2008, 9:57 am

Rahab wrote:
Pastor Bill wrote:OK, let's look at this honestly.

A person is injured, insurance pays their medical bills.

They sue the person liable for the injury, that person is forced to pay for the medical bills.

No one is paying the bills twice, so who should get that money? if she had no insurance, this money would go to the bills, because her insurance covered it, either they are reimbursed, or the person responsible for the accident shouldn't have been asked to pay them.

Now other money for pain & suffering, lost wages, etc. Yes that should be hers, but if you look at it objectively, I can understand it, and actually it would seem irresponsible of the insurance company NOT to recoup that money, knowing that the cost of those bills (if not reimbursed) would come from the premiums of those currently insured.

We can feel sorry for the woman, we can want to see her receive MORE for pain & suffering, etc. But if this was awarded to cover medical bills, then it wasn't hers in the first place.


About 14 years ago I was attacked by a dog at work. I was injured altho not bitten. Post office said I had to sue the owner of the dog. From the settlement, Worker's Comp was reimbursed for the medical bills I incurred and I received what was left over.


Stated that way, the same situation (although a lesser injury) we probably don't think anything about it, (or at least I haven't heard anyone cry how evil the post office is...)
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Postby Pastor Bill » March 31st, 2008, 9:59 am

dawgs10 wrote:
MrDanger wrote:
dawgs10 wrote: i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.


Who do you work for? Unless it is full time ministry or own your own business, I am guessing you work for someone who is richer than you are. Therefore, you benefit from trickle down economics. Pretty simple.


i benefit from the sweat i leave at work. i minister for free.


Unless you've found a way to magically turn sweat into money, SOMEONE (person or company) is paying you.
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Postby one love » March 31st, 2008, 10:12 am

Pastor Bill wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
MrDanger wrote:
dawgs10 wrote: i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.


Who do you work for? Unless it is full time ministry or own your own business, I am guessing you work for someone who is richer than you are. Therefore, you benefit from trickle down economics. Pretty simple.


i benefit from the sweat i leave at work. i minister for free.


Unless you've found a way to magically turn sweat into money, SOMEONE (person or company) is paying you.


to pastor bill and mr danger why is it others dont understand this as basic as it is? Somehow people are angry at there employers success and feel they are evil?? I hate to say this so plainly but you could quit tomorrow and im sure the buisness would carry on, so the thought that they are "rich off of you labor" is incorrect. They are rich because of there hard work and by this work they have blessed you with a job.

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Postby Pastor Bill » April 1st, 2008, 3:51 am

one love wrote:
Pastor Bill wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
MrDanger wrote:
dawgs10 wrote: i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.


Who do you work for? Unless it is full time ministry or own your own business, I am guessing you work for someone who is richer than you are. Therefore, you benefit from trickle down economics. Pretty simple.


i benefit from the sweat i leave at work. i minister for free.


Unless you've found a way to magically turn sweat into money, SOMEONE (person or company) is paying you.


to pastor bill and mr danger why is it others dont understand this as basic as it is? Somehow people are angry at there employers success and feel they are evil?? I hate to say this so plainly but you could quit tomorrow and im sure the business would carry on, so the thought that they are "rich off of you labor" is incorrect. They are rich because of there hard work and by this work they have blessed you with a job.


I completely agree with you, I am not sure why people don't see this either. I'll admit some aren't there by hard work, but by inheritance, luck or even less-than moral means, and if you are not comfortable working for them due to those reasons, by all means go somewhere else, but success does not equate with evil any more than failure equates with Godliness.

I think part of this comes from a misquote of scripture, money is not the root of all evil, it's the LOVE of money (which effects poor and rich alike)
"Why would God allow Hitler his chapter in history? Why would God send a whale to swallow Jonah or turn a woman into a pillar of salt? Surely there were other ways. But I'll leave the particular methods of God to God."

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Postby one love » April 1st, 2008, 7:20 am

Pastor Bill wrote:
one love wrote:
Pastor Bill wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:
MrDanger wrote:
dawgs10 wrote: i am still waiting for the trickle down from president ronald r. wiat na still waiting.


Who do you work for? Unless it is full time ministry or own your own business, I am guessing you work for someone who is richer than you are. Therefore, you benefit from trickle down economics. Pretty simple.


i benefit from the sweat i leave at work. i minister for free.


Unless you've found a way to magically turn sweat into money, SOMEONE (person or company) is paying you.


to pastor bill and mr danger why is it others dont understand this as basic as it is? Somehow people are angry at there employers success and feel they are evil?? I hate to say this so plainly but you could quit tomorrow and im sure the business would carry on, so the thought that they are "rich off of you labor" is incorrect. They are rich because of there hard work and by this work they have blessed you with a job.


I completely agree with you, I am not sure why people don't see this either. I'll admit some aren't there by hard work, but by inheritance, luck or even less-than moral means, and if you are not comfortable working for them due to those reasons, by all means go somewhere else, but success does not equate with evil any more than failure equates with Godliness.

I think part of this comes from a misquote of scripture, money is not the root of all evil, it's the LOVE of money (which effects poor and rich alike)



you got it brother AMEN :wink:


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