I won!!!!!

[one love]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?

here is the thing in reality it has been very obvious what i was refering to , have not made much notice to the continual post that we have different views of gambling because i made it prety clear as to what i was refering to. You are correct.

i think when i kept saying, poker, rolling dice etc gave it way which is illegal

[RamboPreacher]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?

if you actually read my posts, you would find that I have said that I AGREE with him on his particular limited and vertical definition of what gambling is and that it is sin. My disagreement is that his definition isn't complete, and that if one is to make a doctrinal statement about"gambling", then one must define what it is, especially if you are saying that ALL gambling is a sin.

I will say it again, I believe that based on these posts, and an understanding of his (one love's, and apparently yours and some others) limited definition ("poker, rolling dice etc"), as habitual and abusive and affecting family and spiritual relationship with God, is sin. I have said this several times.

I will NOT say that ALL gambling is a sin, it is NOT, even "poker, rolling dice etc", may NOT be sin, if it is NOT abused, and does NOT affect relationship with family and if it does NOT hinder relationship with God. It MAY be a sin for some, but to say that it is for EVERYONE is wrong, in my opinion. I will NOT assume that playing a game of poker, or dice, etc is ALWAYS addictive, or that it will ALWAYS cause hindrance with a relationship with God, or family or even that it is not HOLY!

What you guys are missing is that I AGREE WITH YOU, given YOUR definition of gambling. I DISAGREE with your limited definition, itself, however. Since I have now repeated myself several times, I am done here.

Rahab, I am glad that you are my Sister in Christ. I accept you fully, and completely as my sister in Christ. I do NOT believe playing the lotto as you have don is wrong, or a sin at all, I am glad that you won.

[TW]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?

here is the thing in reality it has been very obvious what i was refering to , have not made much notice to the continual post that we have different views of gambling because i made it prety clear as to what i was refering to. You are correct.

i think when i kept saying, poker, rolling dice etc gave it way which is illegal

one love,
You may not be aware that in 27 states gambling in one form or another is legal. So following your line of reasoning, i.e. gambling is a sin because it is illegal, in 54% of the country it is not a sin but in 46% of the country it is. Somehow that just doesn't sound right.


TW

[one love]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?

if you actually read my posts, you would find that I have said that I AGREE with him on his particular limited and vertical definition of what gambling is and that it is sin. My disagreement is that his definition isn't complete, and that if one is to make a doctrinal statement about"gambling", then one must define what it is, especially if you are saying that ALL gambling is a sin.

I will say it again, I believe that based on these posts, and an understanding of his (one love's, and apparently yours and some others) limited definition ("poker, rolling dice etc"), as habitual and abusive and affecting family and spiritual relationship with God, is sin. I have said this several times.

I will NOT say that ALL gambling is a sin, it is NOT, even "poker, rolling dice etc", may NOT be sin, if it is NOT abused, and does NOT affect relationship with family and if it does NOT hinder relationship with God. It MAY be a sin for some, but to say that it is for EVERYONE is wrong, in my opinion. I will NOT assume that playing a game of poker, or dice, etc is ALWAYS addictive, or that it will ALWAYS cause hindrance with a relationship with God, or family or even that it is not HOLY!

What you guys are missing is that I AGREE WITH YOU, given YOUR definition of gambling. I DISAGREE with your limited definition, itself, however. Since I have now repeated myself several times, I am done here.

Rahab, I am glad that you are my Sister in Christ. I accept you fully, and completely as my sister in Christ. I do NOT believe playing the lotto as you have don is wrong, or a sin at all, I am glad that you won.

why approach this to rahab , that is not where my comments stemmed from. I do get what you are saying rambo gambling is wrong but it is not wrong....it is sin but it is not sin.... if it hurts family etc it is sin but if i can enjoy it and have no issues it is not sin..... unless it is illegal which it is.......

[one love]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?

here is the thing in reality it has been very obvious what i was refering to , have not made much notice to the continual post that we have different views of gambling because i made it prety clear as to what i was refering to. You are correct.

i think when i kept saying, poker, rolling dice etc gave it way which is illegal

one love,
You may not be aware that in 27 states gambling in one form or another is legal. So following your line of reasoning, i.e. gambling is a sin because it is illegal, in 54% of the country it is not a sin but in 46% of the country it is. Somehow that just doesn't sound right.


TW

i brought up legality issue because someone else did regarding drugs. That is the only reason.

[ichthus]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?

here is the thing in reality it has been very obvious what i was refering to , have not made much notice to the continual post that we have different views of gambling because i made it prety clear as to what i was refering to. You are correct.

i think when i kept saying, poker, rolling dice etc gave it way which is illegal

one love,
You may not be aware that in 27 states gambling in one form or another is legal. So following your line of reasoning, i.e. gambling is a sin because it is illegal, in 54% of the country it is not a sin but in 46% of the country it is. Somehow that just doesn't sound right.


TW

It still is interesting that in almost 50% of the USA it is illegal! It would appear that maybe even "the world" and non-Christians have its "connections" and "fruit" a lot clearer than even some Chrisitans!

[ichthus]

Rahab wrote:

I'm going with 3 days, Wednesday, April 9. What do I win if I am correct?????

I've got a dusty copy of Upon This Rock, Vol. 1 that's up for grabs!

I'm not COGOP and never have been, so I don't mind if that book collects dust I'm more worried about the dust collecting on another Book.
The honest truth is that in the USA many Christians are more familiar with HBO and Blockbuster than they are with the Holy Bible.

[ichthus]

I don't consider one love's view to be extreme.
If you were ever to read the results of genuine historical revivals, most of these type of places (casinos, etc.) were shut down because of the work in people's hearts. To me this fits in with a lot of things that by themselves are not that big of a deal, but at the same time are more connected with a "whole other lifestyle" and view of life and morality that is very distant from the biblical one. Some might call that "guilt by association".

but again, you two seem to share the limited (in my opinion) view of what is "gambling".

We live in a time where just about anything is "winked at" by american churchianity.

I disagree. I think that this may be something that you perceive in your area/region, but to say this as a wide paint brush picture, I would have to disagree.

Just my area?? Have you ever tuned into TBN?
Big ministries can be on their 4th, 5th, and 6th marriage while preaching and no one bats an eye. A huge ministry can even have started by the coming together of 2 destroyed marriage covenants and hurt children and calling it the Lord's doing and no one cares. Sometimes statistics in various areas of "sin" being equal to or higher than the secular world in some areas of the church. Huge addiction to porn in the church and even among pastors and it's just kind of hush hush. The little things are not a big deal to me, but I DO think they are just a symptom of a deeper problem in the American church. In times of American history where there was real revival with masses of souls saved, dance halls, theatres, and casinos closed down in those communities because there weren't even enough unsaved people interested to make it profitable.