Massive archive, not backup.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » January 20th, 2009, 10:42 am

I have subscribed to MOZY for online backup of my data, but I really need massive ARCHIVE storage online, and not just backup... because backup deletes files when you delete them.

Anybody have an affordable, online ARCHIVE that will maintain files already deleted?

Billy n NC · Postby **Billy n NC** » January 20th, 2009, 3:39 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:I have subscribed to MOZY for online backup of my data, but I really need massive ARCHIVE storage online, and not just backup... because backup deletes files when you delete them.

Anybody have an affordable, online ARCHIVE that will maintain files already deleted?

Out of curiosoty. Why Online backup when Hard drives prices are so cheap.

http://www.compusa.com/applications/Sea ... =M261-8184

I had a webhosting company went belly up and I had 3 or 4 websites there.

I mean Mozy looks affordable but not sure If I could trust them or anybody for archival backup. Synch up maybe ..

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » January 20th, 2009, 3:57 pm

ditto, especially considering long term, continued costs
I dont' have this but it is an option:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... No=3952307

and throw in a couple 1.5 terabyte drives and mirror them:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=2459

and you have either 3 Tb of backup/archive, or mirrored 1.5Tb for even more geeekazoid backup to the backup.

all for less than $400 buckazoids. a lot, yes, but this would be a maxed out setup. significantly less for lesser hard drives such as a couple 400Gb drives for about $50 each, making the NAS ~$230

kewl.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » January 20th, 2009, 4:02 pm

Billy n NC wrote:Out of curiosoty. Why Online backup when Hard drives prices are so cheap.

Because I have had LOUSY results with in-house network archives. I most recently had a 500 Gig drive roll over and die in the office, and it caused the loss of several years of very critical data.

It might be caused by our flaky power system and frequent power outages.

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » January 20th, 2009, 4:13 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:
Billy n NC wrote:Out of curiosoty. Why Online backup when Hard drives prices are so cheap.

Because I have had LOUSY results with in-house network archives. I most recently had a 500 Gig drive roll over and die in the office, and it caused the loss of several years of very critical data.

It might be caused by our flaky power system and frequent power outages.

but was it backed up?
if it truly is an "archive", adn not a backup - then the archive MUST be backed up as well (as you found). my suggestion is a mirrored system. the drives installed (there are some pre-made options if you are not comfortable building something like this) back each other up. as data is written to "the drive", it is written to them both, and when read, it is read from both for performance increase as well. If one drive fails, the other takes over while you get a new drive, or like me swap for a new drive spare you have at the ready, and it will re-mirror when the new one is installed.

Granted a mirrored system won't be a good backup if you are hit by a tornado and the system gets physically trashed, but that's a risk assessment that you would need to make. if it is that important, then having the online NAS (not mirrored) and an OFF SITE backup like something over the Internet would be another option in your TCO and risk assessment.

Billy n NC · Postby **Billy n NC** » January 20th, 2009, 9:28 pm

What I am doing now is Archiving files etc to DVD. I can get 4 gigs of files on 1 blank DVD. ( for example I dumped all the WMV files from the Assembley this year on 3 dvds. for both 2006 and 2008. Was able to clear up about 20 gigs of space. LOL)

I have a Piii 800 Gateway desktop that I have a 70 gig and a 250 gig Hd in. I have it networked with all my computers.. I use a software package called AllSync. but I do not synch. I just use it to sychronize my backup computer drive with folders on my primary. About 1 or 2 a month. This
computer has a DVD burner installed also. I copy files that need archived etc the blank DVD and place in a storage case. Also this computer has a monitor with built in speakers. I added a WinTV board in it and connected to cable. So when I am in my office working on computer I can watch/lisen mostly news etc.

I also have a KVM switch on it. I can use the KMV cables and connect a 2nd computer up. That is how I do a lot of repair work etc. I do a lot of rebuild etc. People get ther computer junked up with adware/virus etc I will copy off there files and then dor a full system restore.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » January 21st, 2009, 4:30 am

Pastor Gary wrote:
Billy n NC wrote:Out of curiosoty. Why Online backup when Hard drives prices are so cheap.

Because I have had LOUSY results with in-house network archives. I most recently had a 500 Gig drive roll over and die in the office, and it caused the loss of several years of very critical data.

It might be caused by our flaky power system and frequent power outages.

Absolutely Terrible. Sorry to hear. To nail imho the most terrible computer killer..a "brownout".. invest in some backup power supplies. I have since the mid 90s and it has really improved my quality of computer life. I've recommended them also to everyone. A few brownouts killed a Powermac once and I was determined to not let that happen again.

I too have super large client files that I use Time Machine to help manage and backup instantly.. but if the drive goes.. I have to rely on my frequent DVD backups that I do every so often. 4GB just isn't anywhere near enough as I have single files that extend past that!

So I've been waiting on BlueRay Disk drives to mature into the Mac lines.
I didn't want to spend the half grand for a standalone slow poker.

For online.. Rush recommends carbonite. A Mac beta is due any day.
http://www.carbonite.com/ads/rush/banne ... h_1_Banner

ugpastor · Postby **ugpastor** » January 21st, 2009, 7:02 am

I use a Window's Home server. Cheaper to buy one of the long run of paying for a service. It backs up individual PC's, you can create shared folders, and grant access to certain users, and it duplicates the data and you can get an external hard drive back up the data to store in another place or take with you on the road, even if you don't you can access your server through the internet anywhere in the world as long as it is conected to a router to a highspeed internet connection. All for around $549.00. I use HP's it works like a charm, http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaig ... rt-server/ Check it out.

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