Obama: Cutting Charitable Deductions

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » March 26th, 2009, 6:42 am

Obama: Cutting Tax Deductions On Wealthy Charity Donations Right Thing To Do
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200 ... 17351.html

Obama gave 1% of his personal wealth to Charity... Surprise!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

Is Obama after the Church Budget, eh?

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » March 27th, 2009, 8:15 am

Do you think this could impact donations?

I know some individuals with means that donated large sums for this very purpose.

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » April 15th, 2009, 7:01 pm

MacUser wrote:Obama gave 1% of his personal wealth to Charity... Surprise!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

MacUser, I finally read this article. You took the timeframe out of the article title and mentioned only the lowest figure to give the worst possible impression, as though that figure were current. Here are the data from 2000 through 2008:

2000-2004: 1% ($10,772)
2005-2006: 5% ($137,622)
2007: ($240,000; percent unknown)
2008: 6.5% ($172,050)

The President and first lady reported donating $172,050 — or about 6.5% of their adjusted gross income — to 37 different charities.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » April 16th, 2009, 2:56 am

When did he start running for President and public office?

Btw.. I think this entire plan has been killed anyway, eh?

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » April 16th, 2009, 3:24 am

MacUser wrote:When did he start running for President and public office?

He first was elected to public office in 1996. His increase in giving coincides with his increase in book royalties and the elimination of his and Michelle's student loan debt.

MacUser wrote:Btw.. I think this entire plan has been killed anyway, eh?

At least what is dead is the impression from "Obama gave 1% of his personal wealth to Charity... Surprise!" that Obama's current level of charitable giving is at 1%.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » April 16th, 2009, 4:34 am

Tim Elston wrote:At least what is dead is the impression from "Obama gave 1% of his personal wealth to Charity... Surprise!" that Obama's current level of charitable giving is at 1%.

hahaha.. Tim. This point was a secondary point posted from an online news article's headline. I didn't make it up and it doesn't negate the original post.

Also you "guessed" on how and why his giving increased.. let me do so as well... It appears to me that after he had Presidential visions of remaking the USA.. did that giving increase based on the advice of his professional handlers. :wink:

What's your REAL beef? This isn't it... come on.. let it out.

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » April 16th, 2009, 6:31 am

MacUser wrote:This point was a secondary point posted from an online news article's headline. I didn't make it up and it doesn't negate the original post.

The title of the article was, "Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income." You took out the timeframe, falsely leaving the impression that the data was current. That fits your pattern of leaving false impressions with your headlining of news articles to support your political biases. I don't expect you to reform, or to care about being deceitful.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » April 16th, 2009, 7:10 am

Tim Elston wrote:You took out the timeframe, falsely leaving the impression that the data was current. That fits your pattern of leaving false impressions with your headlining of news articles to support your political biases. I don't expect you to reform, or to care about being deceitful.

Deceitful? Fits my pattern? Oh Brother. :lol:

The title was : Obama: Cutting Charitable Deductions. Is this not true? Or is that relative to your real point. Come on Tim.... let the real issue out. This is just a front so you can get to your REAL post soon. I can read this like an open book!

For the record.. I referenced the news article link did I not on everything I posted? You poorly are attempting to discredit the message by attacking the messenger. Obama did everything I posted and it was the secondary point.. which doesn't discredit anything.

Don't be shy.. let it fly. [ BIG TARGET HERE ] I can take it. :wink:

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » April 16th, 2009, 10:29 am

MacUser wrote:Deceitful? Fits my pattern? Oh Brother. The title was : Obama: Cutting Charitable Deductions. Is this not true?

No, it's not true. The title for neither article is "Obama: Cutting Charitable Deductions," and the one that refers to the 1% giving for 2000-2004 is entitled, "Obamas Donated Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income." Even your defense against the accusation of deceit is an obfuscation.

MacUser wrote:For the record.. I referenced the news article link did I not on everything I posted?

Yes, you did. And your headline on the link was misleading for those who did not read the article itself. It's your responsibility not to mislead by how you headline your news links. That's an ethical imperative that reflects on whether you value the truth or deception in the interest of bias.

MacUser wrote:You poorly are attempting to discredit the message by attacking the messenger. Obama did everything I posted and it was the secondary point.. which doesn't discredit anything.

Your headline omitted the timeframe and thus changed the message from that of the article. MacUser, I don't expect you to change. I don't expect you to value the truth. I expect you to continue to pervert the truth in the interest of your bias. I don't expect you to grow.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » April 16th, 2009, 11:11 am

Tim Elston wrote:MacUser, I don't expect you to change. I don't expect you to value the truth. I expect you to continue to pervert the truth in the interest of your bias. I don't expect you to grow.

Ahhh.. but to the contrary my friend.. I DO expect you to change. I DO expect you one day to acknowledge the real truth. I DO expect you to overlook your biases ( by getting past all the past pain ). And most of all.. I DO expect you to grow.

You secretly long for it... no matter what comes out of your mouth.. because you don't even deep down even believe in yourself.. much less convince anyone else here any different.

To top that off.. one day you will thank me!
Love you Bro! :lol:

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » April 16th, 2009, 11:35 am

MacUser wrote:
Tim Elston wrote:MacUser, I don't expect you to change. I don't expect you to value the truth. I expect you to continue to pervert the truth in the interest of your bias. I don't expect you to grow.

Ahhh.. but to the contrary my friend.. I DO expect you to change. I DO expect you one day to acknowledge the real truth. I DO expect you to overlook your biases ( by getting past all the past pain ). And most of all.. I DO expect you to grow.

You secretly long for it... no matter what comes out of your mouth.. because you don't even deep down even believe in yourself.. much less convince anyone else here any different.

To top that off.. one day you will thank me!
Love you Bro!

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » April 16th, 2009, 2:22 pm

RamboPreacher wrote:
MacUser wrote:Ahhh.. but to the contrary my friend.. I DO expect you to change. I DO expect you one day to acknowledge the real truth. I DO expect you to overlook your biases ( by getting past all the past pain ). And most of all.. I DO expect you to grow.

You secretly long for it... no matter what comes out of your mouth.. because you don't even deep down even believe in yourself.. much less convince anyone else here any different.

To top that off.. one day you will thank me!
Love you Bro!

Should the Gospel be used as a self-serving defense mechanism? Doesn't that undermine the very call to repentance embedded in the Gospel? Is shifting to proclamation as a means of avoiding the admission of guilt consistent with the goal of evangelization? How credible is a call to repentance when that call is itself an evasion of repentance?

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » April 17th, 2009, 4:20 am

Tim Elston wrote:Is shifting to proclamation as a means of avoiding the admission of guilt consistent with the goal of evangelization? How credible is a call to repentance when that call is itself an evasion of repentance?

I explained myself completely and don't feel any manufactured or projected guilt. Just because you feel guilty my friend... doesn't mean I have to. I am just the target for your misdirected guilt or anger of the day. But again, I'm big enough to handle it and in return.. shine the real light on it.

Also If you really believed in yourself and worldview then you would not be on a Christian board... seeking help. You condescending pose as some enlightened enforcer of truth... while all the time seek the perfect argument for conversion and cure the disease inside you. It's not something you can debate. It's by Faith. Will you fail? Yes. Will you fail.. BIG TIME.. (like yourself?) YES!

BUT.. when you hear the call... LIKE NOW. From a real friend.
GET BACK UP and BACK in line. It's work for you to do.

God Bless.

Jude 2