Poimen wrote:Brandon Bowers wrote:This is a very real issue, whether we like it or not. How we deal with it will determine the future of the church.
No way! The future of the church has already been predetermined by God. It can do nothing but that. Now, our part in the church is a different story. But no social agenda, no earthly power, do demonic force, determines the future of the church. Christ has already determined, purchased, and sealed our future -- the gates of hell shall not prevail.
Speak the truth. Speak it in love. Speak it uncompromisingly, and unashamedly. Speak it that other may hear and know the freedom we now know after having heard and received the love of the truth ourselves.
Poimen wrote:dolfan wrote:I think, too, that society would be less contentious about these things if marriage were strictly a religious matter.
The problem there Tim, is that Biblically, marriage is not ONLY religious in nature. And this goes to the point that one cannot truly separate life from religion, society from theology, nor creation from the Creator, however hard they might try.
Poimen wrote:dolfan wrote:If we truly are unable to keep the sacred sacred, then shouldn't we be willing to see society mock our other sacraments en masse and just deal with it politically?
Not at all! And that's not what I meant to convey. It is not that we can't keep the sacred sacred, is that even the secular is in truth submissive to the sacred (whether they like it, admit, know it or not). At the very least, thankfully, the Ruler of all creation will judge the nations for this and other things in the coming of His Kingdom visible to the Earth.
Chris, all I can say upon reading these posts is that I am certain that I am in the presence of greatness.

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