Rethinking, Revisiting, Relearning

[RaceRunner]

Racerunner

I am certinally not trying to bully anyone. Just from the majority of your post I see a very self righteous spirit. Amazing, I don't get the same feeling from Shepherd and I think you are both from the same group.

BTW one generally knows when someone is being funny or serious. No matter how many smilies are used

Oh Paul...tisk, tisk, tisk

You must be bored out of your gourd on a Friday night too.

Well, tomorrow's another day.

[ImaPK]

RaceRunner said

The Church is an ark of safety in this wicked world.

Your doctrine is showing. And that's what lost alot of my generation. We were also taught that the Church was an ark of safety in this wicked world when in reality GOD IS THE ARK IN THIS WICKED WORLD. No particular Church is going to get me to Heaven. No particular Doctrine is going to get me to Heaven. No particular "advice to members" is going to get me to Heaven. What WILL get me to Heaven is my relationship with Christ. I could go to any Church, believe any doctrine, and follow all the "advice" til Hell froze over. But if I don't have a relationship with Christ what will it get me? Eternity in Hell that's what.

[Full Quiver]

We were also taught that the Church was an ark of safety in this wicked world when in reality GOD IS THE ARK IN THIS WICKED WORLD.

AMEN Mike!

[ImaPK]

We were also taught that the Church was an ark of safety in this wicked world when in reality GOD IS THE ARK IN THIS WICKED WORLD.

AMEN Mike!

Did it just get cold "down below"? Danny liked something I said?!?!?!?!?!

[Full Quiver]

Did it just get cold "down below"?

The self-righteous are hoping so.

[RaceRunner]

RaceRunner said

The Church is an ark of safety in this wicked world.

Your doctrine is showing. And that's what lost alot of my generation. We were also taught that the Church was an ark of safety in this wicked world when in reality GOD IS THE ARK IN THIS WICKED WORLD. No particular Church is going to get me to Heaven. No particular Doctrine is going to get me to Heaven. No particular "advice to members" is going to get me to Heaven. What WILL get me to Heaven is my relationship with Christ. I could go to any Church, believe any doctrine, and follow all the "advice" til Hell froze over. But if I don't have a relationship with Christ what will it get me? Eternity in Hell that's what.

Finally...a REAL discussion! I've always gotten along with you.

You're right my doctrine is showing. Proud of it.

Okay, I'm with you (as in understand you)... Except God told Noah to build the ark to detailed specification. Why God made Noah build a huge boat for what 120? years by the sweat of his brow while God could have just transported them (like Philip) to safety at the top of Mt. Everest (melted the snow first) or on to heaven (like Enoch & Elijah)...while the rest of the world was destroyed is beyond me. So that doesn't quite explain it either because for some reason...they had to enter that ark.

What about sheep fold then? Sheep need protection from this wicked world. Why didn't God just send Christ to die on the cross...have the disciples turn the whole world upside down and then rapture them away? The work was done. Why the whole New Testament of instructions for the church until the end of time...if it wasn't to be a place of safety against Satan? Didn't God foreknow that denominational babel would be invented if He didn't rapture the church in the first century???

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You are EXACTLY right. No church membership is going to get you to heaven...only salvation will. I've never known the cogop/tcog to officially disagree with that or teach otherwise. It is only the misconstrued thinking of the disgruntled that claims the cogop/tcog did or does. Remember, one should be saved before taking the perpetual covenant.

However, we do believe that many of the current doctrinal changes promoted on this forum stray from scripture....while many others believe they do not. Thus the debate continues. However, I'm not opposed to being called legalistic, old fashioned, close minded, self righteous, and anything else ya'll can think of because I chose to remain with the (for want of a better phrase for clarity)..."old paths" while others chose to seek the new. Time will tell in the end I suppose. I'm content.



In general:

I have noticed something though...
Really, the only people on this forum who seem to be content with the whole Cogop and the direction it is going internationally and locally is Scooter and Shellie. Kudos to them for not constantly criticising what they are trying to build up. I have never understood why most of the rest of ya'll stay if you aren't happy.

So if the rest of you want to slam the biblical concepts of the ark and the fold found in the New Testament...feel free to start a thread in the doctrinal section.

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[Full Quiver]

Christ is the ark.

Mt. Everest was covered by the flood also.

The "church", as you call it, has never kept anyone from wickedness but has often been a breeding ground for it. Why you can't understand that it is the shed blood of Jesus Christ and not one single person who ever took a "perpetual covenant" that protects folks I don't know.

Glad to be disgruntled,
Danny

[Billy n NC]

Its gotten sidetracked and downhill but.

thanks for your post Shellie.

I remember when I passed from law to grace.

It was a very real experience.

[RaceRunner]

Christ is the ark.

Mt. Everest was covered by the flood also.

Duh. We were talking about what God COULD have done, but didn't.

The "church", as you call it, has never kept anyone from wickedness but has often been a breeding ground for it. Why you can't understand that it is the shed blood of Jesus Christ and not one single person who ever took a "perpetual covenant" that protects folks I don't know.

Glad to be disgruntled,
Danny

The Church can't KEEP you from wickedness...no more than I can keep you from getting cancer.

And yes...sinners, backsliders and wolves sit on the pews while masquerading as christians and members. But God knows who they are and their location. Read the parable of the tares and the wheat.

Of course only the shed blood of Jesus is the only thing that saves you. The perpetual covenant should ONLY be made by those who have been been delivered by that shed blood. Perpetual means that God won't forget the covenant you made with him.

From what I understand...the Cogop still administers the following:

"Will you sincerely promise in the presence of God and these witnesses that you will accept this Bible as the Word of God believe and practice its teachings rightly divided the New Testament as your rule of faith and practice, government and discipline, and walk in the light to the best of your knowledge and ability?"

[pastorjason]

So if the rest of you want to slam the biblical concepts of the ark and the fold found in the New Testament...feel free to start a thread in the doctrinal section.

Slam no rightly divide yes!!

Jesus Christ said "...I will build my church...." "I am the door of the sheep fold no man can enter unless I let him in"

Analogies are only as good as the distance that they work when you get beyond the original point they become ridiculous therefore must be abandoned and another point reached in your understanding.

You folks would have Jesus' body marry his bride and be served by wedding guest. You glory over the ones you kept out or excluded to wash the church of every spot or wrinkle.

Eph 5:25b ........Christ also loved the church,and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by
the word,
Eph 5:27
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having
spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without blemish.

The cleansing and adding to are in his hands not yours or mine

[paul]

Racerunner said:

Didn't God foreknow that denominational babel would be invented if He didn't rapture the church in the first century???

What on earth are you talking about ?

Racerunner, I grew up cogop, pastored, district overseer, ordained a Bishop. Could preach the Old Ship of Zion with the best of them. Ran all over the church with the flag a waving. I am greatful for my heritage. But know this some things I learned I use still to this day, but somethings I learned I pray I am never quilty of again. BTW I am still married to my first wife this month 43 years, never backslid, never stopped preaching, never stop paying my tithes. Just knew it was time to move on.l

This last week I received a call from someone I have not heard from in almost 20 years. They found me on facebook. We talked, he also was raised cogop, pastored and was a great leader and friend. After he told me his story, lied to, deceived by a so who went with your group and served as so. I felt angered all over again.

I knew this so and knew first hand of his deceit, lying, and horrible self righteous spirit. You concept of the ark as the church cannot be supported by scriptures no matter how you twist them and take them out of context.

You have no concept of the New Testament church, its purpose, function, as an endtime community of believers. As an already but not yet people. As a people people living the future in the present awaiting the comsummation of their blessed hope. Leave your BTI manuales and so do some serious study on the N.T. Church

IMaPK...you are right, Christ is the only ark of safety.

[RaceRunner]

So if the rest of you want to slam the biblical concepts of the ark and the fold found in the New Testament...feel free to start a thread in the doctrinal section.

Slam no rightly divide yes!!

Jesus Christ said "...I will build my church...." "I am the door of the sheep fold no man can enter unless I let him in"

Analogies are only as good as the distance that they work when you get beyond the original point they become ridiculous therefore must be abandoned and another point reached in your understanding.

You folks would have Jesus' body marry his bride and be served by wedding guest. You glory over the ones you kept out or excluded to wash the church of every spot or wrinkle.

Eph 5:25b ........Christ also loved the church,and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by
the word,
Eph 5:27
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having
spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without blemish.

The cleansing and adding to are in his hands not yours or mine

Then start the discussion the doctrinal forum and have at it. I'm sure Shellie is tired of her thread being hijacked.

[RaceRunner]

Racerunner said:

Didn't God foreknow that denominational babel would be invented if He didn't rapture the church in the first century???

What on earth are you talking about ?

Racerunner, I grew up cogop, pastored, district overseer, ordained a Bishop. Could preach the Old Ship of Zion with the best of them. Ran all over the church with the flag a waving. I am greatful for my heritage. But know this some things I learned I use still to this day, but somethings I learned I pray I am never quilty of again.

This last week I received a call from someone I have not heard from in almost 20 years. They found me on facebook. We talked, he also was raised cogop, pastored and was a great leader and friend. After he told me his story, lied to, deceived by a so who went with your group and served as so. I felt angered all over again.

I knew this so and knew first hand of his deceit, lying, and horrible self righteous spirit. You concept of the ark as the church cannot be supported by scriptures no matter how you twist them and take them out of context.

You have no concept of the New Testament church, its purpose, function, as an endtime community of believers. As an already but not yet people. As a people people living the future in the present awaiting the comsummation of their blessed hope. Leave your BTI manuales and so do some serious study on the N.T. Church

IMaPK...you are right, Christ is the only ark of safety.

Whatever you say Paul.....why don't you and Jason go thrash it out together in the doctrinal forum. I'm sure ya'll will have a grand time!

[paul]

Racerunner said:

Whatever you say Paul.....why don't you and Jason go thrash it out together in the doctrinal forum. I'm sure ya'll will have a grand time!

Once again your post make absolutely no sense. I have read jasons post. It appears that he and I would be in agreement. No reason for he and I to thrash it out.

[pastorjason]

I just wanted to see if you would revert to your usual style of hit and run
Which you did.

Shellie has all kinds of special buttons to push if she does not like where her thread was taken to by you by the way accusing her of raising her children unbiblical. give me a break

Paul and I don't need to hash it out I accept him as an apostle of the lord a brother in Christ, hence a member of The Body of Christ, I may question a few of his doctrinal points and practices but never what he depends on for salvation. I can not say that of All.