ImaPK wrote:RaceRunner said
The Church is an ark of safety in this wicked world.
Your doctrine is showing.

And that's what lost alot of my generation. We were also taught that the Church was an ark of safety in this wicked world when in reality GOD IS THE ARK IN THIS WICKED WORLD. No particular Church is going to get me to Heaven. No particular Doctrine is going to get me to Heaven. No particular "advice to members" is going to get me to Heaven. What WILL get me to Heaven is my relationship with Christ. I could go to any Church, believe any doctrine, and follow all the "advice" til Hell froze over. But if I don't have a relationship with Christ what will it get me? Eternity in Hell that's what.
Finally...a REAL discussion! I've always gotten along with you.
You're right my doctrine is showing. Proud of it.
Okay, I'm with you (as in understand you)... Except God told Noah to build the ark to detailed specification. Why God made Noah build a huge boat for what 120? years by the sweat of his brow while God could have just transported them (like Philip) to safety at the top of Mt. Everest (melted the snow first) or on to heaven (like Enoch & Elijah)...while the rest of the world was destroyed is beyond me. So that doesn't quite explain it either because for some reason...they had to enter that ark.
What about sheep fold then? Sheep need protection from this wicked world. Why didn't God just send Christ to die on the cross...have the disciples turn the whole world upside down and then rapture them away? The work was done. Why the whole New Testament of instructions for the church until the end of time...if it wasn't to be a place of safety against Satan? Didn't God foreknow that denominational babel would be invented if He didn't rapture the church in the first century???
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You are EXACTLY right. No church membership is going to get you to heaven...only salvation will. I've never known the cogop/tcog to officially disagree with that or teach otherwise. It is only the misconstrued thinking of the disgruntled that claims the cogop/tcog did or does. Remember, one should be saved before taking the perpetual covenant.
However, we do believe that many of the current doctrinal changes promoted on this forum stray from scripture....while many others believe they do not. Thus the debate continues. However, I'm not opposed to being called legalistic, old fashioned, close minded, self righteous, and anything else ya'll can think of because I chose to remain with the (for want of a better phrase for clarity)..."old paths" while others chose to seek the new. Time will tell in the end I suppose. I'm content.
In general:
I have noticed something though...
Really, the only people on this forum who seem to be content with the whole Cogop and the direction it is going internationally and locally is Scooter and Shellie. Kudos to them for not constantly criticising what they are trying to build up. I have never understood why most of the rest of ya'll stay if you aren't happy.
So if the rest of you want to slam the biblical concepts of the ark and the fold found in the New Testament...feel free to start a thread in the doctrinal section.
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I don't have to prove God's existance. He's already proven that. I just have to prove that He lives within me.
For the GRACE of God that BRINGETH Salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, DENYING ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should LIVE soberly, righteously, and godly, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD; Titus 2:11-12