Do you call off the dogs in football?

[TC]

When the score gets out of hand (not sure what out of hand is ) but Do you or do you not call off the dogs?

Yes or NO and WHY?

(My thoughts later)

[TW]

Unfortunately points scored, for and against, matter when national ranking is determined. If you have a ranked team and you call off the dogs you could drop several spots on any given Saturday.


TW

[TC]

well here are my thoughts.

First is it fair to put in any player and tell them not to play their best?

Is t fair or smart to put in your Backup QB and tell him he can only RUN the ball No Passing?

Is it fair to put in all the backups and give the Backup QB less protection?

MY THOUGHTS... It is not fair at all, It is not smart either, IF you have a player go down, Or QB then you need your backup to be prepared.

ALSO what other sport tells players they can do their best for the whole game. Baseball does not tell players to strike out, or basketball player to miss shots. In Nascar When Mark Martin is a lap ahead, he doesn't pull and let the rest of the cars catch up to make it more interesting.

YES Murray state was way outmaned last night. Louisville got grief for playing them but what most people didn't know was that UofL had actually scheduled Georgia Tech, and Vandy and both bought out of the games. UofL made a last min deal last year with Middle TN state for last year and this. Vandy bought out late, UofL contacted several schools to fill the date an none would. LSU was the biggest of the bunch. Murray state was picked because they are in state and the money they get 300k will help them build their program.

Last nights UofL game... UofL under Brohm (in the first half) scored every 4 mins.

UofL did not punt one time in the game

Brohm only played two series in the second half

The Cards only passed around 5 times the whole second half.

THe third QB played most of the 4th

UofL had the ball 12 times,the first 10 scored TD's, 11th was a FG and the final drive UofL let the clock run out. The last last two were on the ground drives and each could have been TD's but they did not pass.

[dolfan]

TC is right. Bobby Bowden once told Lou Holtz after his N.C. State team beat Holtz's William & Mary team in a whuppin', "It's your job to keep the score down."

I don't believe in just pouring it on for show, though, i.e., team has ball on the oppoent's 5 yard line with :20 seconds left and it is first down, but they're up 42-3 and they pass the ball? That's just not classy at all. So, there's a line that can be crossed.

[TC]

what other sport do you stop playing 20 seconds early to be classy? When tiger is Up by 8 strokes he doesn't three putt on the final hole just to make other feel better. In Baseball we don't tell the Batter to go ahead and Strike out so we can end this game.

What is the time that it is still classy to quit. Last night UofL was leading 49-10 at the half, they threw like 4 passes the whole second half, played all the second string and most of the third.

I think what makes it classy to give up on a game, to me it says... You are so pathetic we won't even try to score. A few years ago late in a game one of the UofL subs gets the ball and runs thru the line and 20 yards to score. In the last seconds of the game. THe other team complained that UofL ran the score up. The next year they gave took a knee then they complained about that.

Most of the time the leading team already has thier subs in, It is not fair to tell a sub reciever to go in and run his up and down the field with NO CHANCE OF GETTING THE BALL.. Last Night UofL actually handed the ball to the recievers to give them a shot as well.

UofL has been on the recieving end of several beatdowns. And because they were powerhouse big name teams no one said they should back off, I agree the only way you get better is between the lines and taking your licks.

[dolfan]

I think it's apples and oranges to compare football with other sports, though. In golf, there is no play stoppage, only penalty strokes. Baseball is different, too, driven by individual stats --- the most stat sensitive sport in the world. A guy is less likely to swing and miss to end the game because a hit will save his BA.

Football is ground acquisition. It is ebb and flow. There's room to possess the ball and hold the ground while not scoring near a game's end when the score is already one-sided. And, please understand, I'm not referring even to the young QB who's getting his first chance to score a touchdown with a pass ... let him throw it and if he gets a score, great. I'm more put off by the starters or platoons that get lots of playing time but keep moving the numbers up on a token opposition. I don't even mind running it up in rivalry games. And, again, passing the ball down the field by a regular, active QB in that situation is a bit more aggressive than the RB who breaks through a defense that has given up. He shouldn't run out of bounds just because they won't defend. That goes back to what Bobby Bowden said to Lou Holtz.

So, I'm not one of these fans who gets angered at a lop sided score and thinks someone is just beating up on the little guy. The little guy is more than likely making a lot of money (the school is anyway) and the players are getting exposure and opportunity to play quality football programs they'd otherwise never get. There is some gold in the veins of defeat for these schools, even humilating defeat.

[TC]

In a way it is apples and oranges but In Nascar they don't keep stats on how much a car won by.

BUT I disagree about the stats in football, OUR QB is in the running for the Big dog. And as a QB his stats will be what will help get him that. People will look at his passing numbers (CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT )Most of the voters will never really watch the games.

Just like Colt Brennan, he had great stats last year because of where and who they play.

Northern Colorado, La Tech. UNLV, Charleston Southern, Idaho, Utah State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Fresno State, Nevada, Boise State and Washington

Yes it is partly because of their conference but last year they played 1 Top 25 teams and lost, This year the most likely will play 1 Again at best. They had 3 losses last year. Look at the past, How many times a QB lose out on the Heisman because they had a loss, Yet Colts numbers are so large that he is still in the race. Comparing his numbers to just about anyone else in that race is comparing apples and oranges.

They other night the Ville could have passed all night, I think they only passed 3 times in the second half, Out backup QB has a great arm but he needs the experience, but we run most of the game...WHY because if we passed we would have been trashed for running it up. So Our Backup really only gets experiene handing the ball off, which is great but out team builds up the run game by passing.

I also think that kicking the FG instead of going for it is REALLY running up the score. WHY, what are the odds of a team blocking a kick? What are the odds of a team being stopped on 4th down? to me a FG is almost an automatic 3 the TD is not.

Louisivlle was trashed by some for kicking a FG in the 4th.. yet what are you supposed to do? 11 mins left to go in the game you are in the red zone 4th and 2

Which proves my point, Numbers in College football matters alot to the teams and the players, It matters in the polls. WHICH matters in the bowl games they go to. You can't have stats matter and then expect teams not worry about stats.

[dolfan]

Hey, how 'bout them Mountaineers .... from Appalachian State!?!

That QB is sharp and quick. I was stunned by the score, saw very little of the game except what I saw walking around campus at U of A on Saturday, peeping in at tailgaters' TVs. A lot of teams found themselves with work to do --- Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee, and I'd put Texas in there, too. Alabama has got a lot of work to do on defense especially and the kicking game is going to be a weak spot all season. I had no idea how thin our defensive talent had become until today, but I will say for them that they swarm to the ball very well. They lack the size and speed to be a really good defensive team, and when we play our SEC schedule, we're going to be behind the 8 ball a lot. Our offense is as loaded as I've seen Bama in several years, going as far back as 1999. So, I think we'll be competitive against some good teams, but I still think we are underdogs against our main rivals (Auburn and UT) and esp. LSU and Georgia, and the FSU game could get be a score-fest.

I was VERY pleased with our coaching. I've never seen the overall discipline and preparedness that we had on Saturday, at least not in the last 10 years. In some ways, it was a well oiled machine the way the players paced the game. Quick to the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, we only used 1 time out the whole game. So, there were some bright spots, things that are clearly the result of having Nick Saban there. The defensive play was soft on coverage. We'll get beat up in the air this season in some games. But, we'll give as good as we get, I think, too, on offense. And, our starting QB better keep his eyes open for the progress of his back up, who looked head and shoulders better on accuracy.

So, the season is off and running. I'm glad.