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California wants to control citizens' thermostats

Postby DaJudge » January 12th, 2008, 7:05 am

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/11/ ... /calif.php
SAN FRANCISCO: The conceit in the 1960s show "The Outer Limits" was that outside forces had taken control of your television set.

Next year in California, state regulators are likely to have the emergency power to control individual thermostats, sending temperatures up or down through a radio-controlled device that will be required in new or substantially modified houses and buildings to manage electricity shortages.

The proposed rules are contained in a document circulated by the California Energy Commission, which for more than three decades has set state energy efficiency standards for home appliances, like water heaters, air conditioners and refrigerators.

The changes would allow utilities to adjust customers' preset temperatures when the price of electricity is soaring. Customers could override the utilities' suggested temperatures. But in emergencies, the utilities could override customers' wishes.

Final approval is expected next month.

"You realize there are times - very rarely, once every few years - when you would be subject to a rotating outage and everything would crash including your computer and traffic lights, and you don't want to do that," said Arthur Rosenfeld, a member of the energy commission.

Reducing individual customers' electrical use - if necessary, involuntarily - could avoid that, Rosenfeld said. "If you can control rotating outages by letting everyone in the state share the pain," he said, "there's a lot less pain to go around."

While the proposals have received little attention in California, the Internet and talk radio are abuzz with indignation at the idea.

The radio-controlled thermostat is not a new technology, though it is constantly being tweaked; the latest iterations were on display this week at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Pacific Gas and Electric, the major utility in Northern California, already has a pilot program in Stockton that allows customers to choose to have their air-conditioning systems attached to a radio-controlled device to reduce use during periods when electricity rates are at their peak. But the idea that a government would mandate use of these devices and reserve the power to override a building owner's wishes galls some people.

"This is an outrage," one Californian said in an e-mail message to Rosenfeld. "We need to build new facilities to handle the growth in this state, not become Big Brother to the citizens of California."



California gets more Orwellian every year. Pretty soon people out there will be eating Soylent Green.

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Postby MacUser » January 12th, 2008, 7:55 am

Imagine the sheer cost of retro fitting all the older homes with this tech.

This is why Nevada/Arizona has the highest increase in population of late. The Great Escape.
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Postby TW » January 12th, 2008, 8:04 am

California needs to change it's nickname from "the Golden State," to "the Friutcake State!"


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Postby oletimer » January 12th, 2008, 8:17 am

Alabama Power all ready has meters that can be read from the road, were they will never have to get out of their trucks to read it. They are in the next two or three years to read their meters by satellite. Many other cities in the area are also going to the drive by meters readers.

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Postby Shellie » January 12th, 2008, 8:49 am

My daughter's boyfriend works at Advance Auto Parts store. Their AC and heat is controlled from the corporate office. When the manager opens in the morning, he has to type in the high for the day. He always types in a little different number so that he can, without their knowledge, set it where HE wants it.
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Postby Pianoman » January 12th, 2008, 10:51 am

oletimer wrote:Alabama Power all ready has meters that can be read from the road, were they will never have to get out of their trucks to read it. They are in the next two or three years to read their meters by satellite. Many other cities in the area are also going to the drive by meters readers.

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Not sure about other states - but in Missouri - Ameren and many of the rural electric Coops have been using cellular meters for several years. I had a friend who worked as a meter reader & his job was to locate & manually read meters that hadn't called in for the month (quite frequently in a really remote area that didn't have good cell service or he would often find meters that had been tampered with).

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Postby paul » January 12th, 2008, 1:57 pm

TW wrote:California needs to change it's nickname from "the Golden State," to "the Friutcake State!"


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Be nice TW. California is still a good place to live...expensive, yes, controlling yes, but still nice. My AC is fitted with an controled cut off. I volunteered for a lower annual rate to have my unit cut back in peak hours or if it appears that a black out eminent. so far over the past few years it has never been cut off, and I have enjoyed the cheaper rates.
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Postby Full Quiver » January 12th, 2008, 9:12 pm

Most office buildings around here have energy management systems that control lighting and heat/air from a remote location for conservation purposes.

Many homes around here are equipped with mechanisms that electronically control water heaters and the times of day that they actually function. Electric water heaters wast alot of energy. You can have a timer installed on your unit to save yourself some money. Why heat you water in the middle of the night or during the day when no one is home or while you're away on vacation? Most people do not think of these things but the power company does and when they are trying to prevent blackouts they will bend over backwards to save here and there.
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