Fuller wrap-up

[Full Quiver]

No I have not Pastor Gary.

Let me say this though. When I was in TCoG I fought for illegal immigrants, befriended many, was very charitable to several, ministered to many, and advocated church membership within the US for them all.

To support illegal immigration is to be against LEGAL immigration. They are polar opposites and you cannot be on both sides of the fence. My world is not black and white. I realize the consequences and the emotions of this issue for all sides. I am with Paul in that if I lived in Mexico and thought I could get to the US to work and live I would but I would do so legally ESPECIALLY if I claimed the name of Christ. Why is it that we Christians (I suppose some) condone illegal activity among the children of God; how is this holiness?

My temperament is supine in control and I am a rule keeper. If the rule says it's wrong to come here without waiting your place in line then I would wait in line. Those that know me know that I will wait my turn and one of my pet peeves is those that cut in line. Goodness, these folks aren't even cutting line they are just walking around it.

Paul, if being a Christian and a child of God isn't enough to cause change in a nations political system and economy then I ask where did the United States of America come from? I do not advocate missionaries causing rebellion but helping to mature a demographic within Mexico (or other nations) would certainly cause those citizens to take responsibility for their own actions and governments. Try telling President Bush that Christians aren't to get involved in the politics of other nations.

[TW]

The United States Of America was established by a bunch of "rule breakers."


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[paul]

To support illegal immigration is to be against LEGAL immigration. They are polar opposites and you cannot be on both sides of the fence. My world is not black and white. I realize the consequences and the emotions of this issue for all sides. I am with Paul in that if I lived in Mexico and thought I could get to the US to work and live I would but I would do so legally ESPECIALLY if I claimed the name of Christ. Why is it that we Christians (I suppose some) condone illegal activity among the children of God; how is this holiness?

FQ, I am not an expert on immigration, I know what I do by example and real life situations that I encounter often in working overseas. The US is the hardest country to get an entry vida for. And next to impossible to get into legally. Each year their is a small allotment of peole allowed from various countries around the world. Also there is a lottery that some can win a green card for resident here. When I say it is difficult, you cannot imagine how hard. That is the reason so many choose other means to get here. Usually Student visa or tourist visa and then simply fail to return tp their country. you have a better chance of winning the powerball lottery that getting legal status to enter the u.s.

Paul, if being a Christian and a child of God isn't enough to cause change in a nations political system and economy then I ask where did the United States of America come from?

FQ< once again most of the time we are operating from a western paradigme. Burma is a prime example....this nation historically had the greates mass conversion to christianity in know history. Yet, it today sufferes under the most repressive and violent regimes in power today. Christianity has not changes this nation nor has it done aways with persecution. It has enables the precious saints there to stand strong in the face of death, starvation, imprisionment. India where millions have converted to Christ, yet the persecution and poverty for believers grows daily. Theyt are considered the lowest of the low. and placed in the bottom of the caste system, yet again christianity has empowered the peole to live under extreme situations. and so many others. Also remember that our forefathers did not change a nation, rather they came and built a new nation, and many might argue at the expense of the native americans that were here. IMHO, what happened to the american indians is a black mark of genecide in our history.

[rough_rider]

I have a friend who is an illegal from Mexico. He is very hard working, has a wife and child. For him to be legal means going back to Mexico for a 6mo. period of time and coming up with a large amount of money he just does not have. These type of illegals are in need of a better program so they can stay here in the United States...

[paul]

I have a friend who is an illegal from Mexico. He is very hard working, has a wife and child. For him to be legal means going back to Mexico for a 6mo. period of time and coming up with a large amount of money he just does not have. These type of illegals are in need of a better program so they can stay here in the United States...

My brother is a contractor in Texas. He has spent huge sums of money trying to get some of his key supervisors legal. He has sent some back to mexico and is willing to pay the cost, but they still have to wait and go thru the process and can still be denied.

My oldest son married a girl from Peru. They were legally married, she has a college degree, was gaurenteed a job here in the US. My son has a masters and working on his doctrate, he also teaches at a junior college. They have spent three years to get her resident card. ( Not citizenship ) just resident. The quta for Peru was reached and she is just out of luck for the present time. She fears going back home to visit family that she might not be alowed back into the US.

[Pastor Gary]

No I have not Pastor Gary.

Thanks. No trick question. Do you believe that, in any way, travel outside one's native country changes a person's perspective?

[Full Quiver]

I answered in a new thread. Sorry if my original response to your thread started this hijack PG.