forgetfullness
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forgetfullness
where in the bible does it say that God will "forget" our sins when we sre forgiven??
one source I'm sure there are more. Thank God!
Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
What we need here is a good revival! lol
again
is this not His word to the Isrealites? if you read the entire context it is about the fact that she "isreal" has not been true to Him. He is AGAIN trying to get them to understand that they (isreal) have a way to come back to Him. This again is the old covenant...right?
Re: again
me wrote:is this not His word to the Isrealites? if you read the entire context it is about the fact that she "isreal" has not been true to Him. He is AGAIN trying to get them to understand that they (isreal) have a way to come back to Him. This again is the old covenant...right?
Response: Sorry I don't buy into the pigeonholing of such passages.
Maybe someone else can help.
What we need here is a good revival! lol
22But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.
23Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.
24Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
25I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
26Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.
27Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
28Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.
how is this pigeonholing? is this not adressed to isreal?? i am not trying to argue with you. i am truly just looking.
23Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.
24Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
25I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
26Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.
27Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
28Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.
how is this pigeonholing? is this not adressed to isreal?? i am not trying to argue with you. i am truly just looking.
I choose
I choose to look at Isreal not only as a "nation" but as God's faithful.
These scriptures I see as applying to God's people of which those of a new covenant have been grafted in with the believing souls of the Old covenant.
Is the Lord our shepherd or just the shepherd of the Isrealites since that is who the scripture is written to? Or does there exist a timelessness in passages which reveal the new way in and amongst the old?
The first red flags for me went up when you dismissed Hebrews as easily as you did.
Pigeonholing the scripture, as you did, robs it of its very essence of saying the New Covenant is such that will contain such great mercy.
These scriptures I see as applying to God's people of which those of a new covenant have been grafted in with the believing souls of the Old covenant.
Is the Lord our shepherd or just the shepherd of the Isrealites since that is who the scripture is written to? Or does there exist a timelessness in passages which reveal the new way in and amongst the old?
The first red flags for me went up when you dismissed Hebrews as easily as you did.
Pigeonholing the scripture, as you did, robs it of its very essence of saying the New Covenant is such that will contain such great mercy.
What we need here is a good revival! lol
my question
were we as gentiles given the oportunity to know or worship god before the new covenant? our sacrafices would have been seen as hiaracey by the "chosen" children (isreal).
i again am looking for answers to questions. i am not dismissing anything. i have been taught to look at the entire context of a message. if not, does what is written in hebrews mean that we are pretty much hopeless.
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
unless you take it in context there is no hope for us because we "CHOOSE" things that we know are wrong but say "grace will save us from it"
i again am looking for answers to questions. i am not dismissing anything. i have been taught to look at the entire context of a message. if not, does what is written in hebrews mean that we are pretty much hopeless.
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
unless you take it in context there is no hope for us because we "CHOOSE" things that we know are wrong but say "grace will save us from it"
Gentiles Could
Gentiles could become a part of the family before, isn't that where Rahab and Ruth fit in?
The scripture you quoted from in Hebrews is dismissed by many but to me basically sets a standard for the christian walk to be without "willful sin".
In my understanding, once someone returns to that type of lifestyle they are like a dog returning to their vomit.
A person growing in grace, finding forgiveness for sins, and maintaining a right relationship with God is the goal. There is grace for us to grow.
There are problems with general applications of such scripture without the considerations of others, for context.
The scripture you quoted from in Hebrews is dismissed by many but to me basically sets a standard for the christian walk to be without "willful sin".
In my understanding, once someone returns to that type of lifestyle they are like a dog returning to their vomit.
A person growing in grace, finding forgiveness for sins, and maintaining a right relationship with God is the goal. There is grace for us to grow.
There are problems with general applications of such scripture without the considerations of others, for context.
What we need here is a good revival! lol
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