Anyone read this book?

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 7th, 2008, 1:34 pm

I don't usually post links to another message board, but I am wondering why I -- okay, and why GERALD -- has never see this book.

http://www.actscelerate.com/viewtopic.php?p=220255

stevenson · Postby **stevenson** » March 7th, 2008, 1:58 pm

I think it's the book with the thumbprint on the cover.And if I remember right, it was one of his shorter books. He still talks about prospering is God's will for christians. He just says that just because you see someone prospering doesn't mean their in God's will.

I borrowed the book and never finished it. So I can't really say what else beyond that he said.

soulsearcher · Postby **soulsearcher** » March 7th, 2008, 4:25 pm

Unless I'm mistaken, my brother-in-law has this book in his library.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » March 8th, 2008, 6:21 am

Would this be the equivalent of "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.". Seeing as to Hagin taught them this way as Moses taught the Jews I find it fitting that he corrected them before his death yet they seemed to reject his reproof.

paul · Postby **paul** » March 8th, 2008, 6:53 am

Full Quiver wrote:Would this be the equivalent of "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.". Seeing as to Hagin taught them this way as Moses taught the Jews I find it fitting that he corrected them before his death yet they seemed to reject his reproof.

Do not be so quick to lump every Faith Preacher into one catagory. I would change your wording from THEY SEEM TO REJECT HIS REPROOF, TO, MANY BUT NOT ALL HAVE REJECTED HIS REPROOF.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 8th, 2008, 9:21 am

paul wrote:Do not be so quick to lump every Faith Preacher into one catagory. I would change your wording from THEY SEEM TO REJECT HIS REPROOF, TO, MANY BUT NOT ALL HAVE REJECTED HIS REPROOF.

Paul, would you please provide an example or two of some Faith Preachers who heeded Hagin's correction and rejected the extremes. (They may be out there, but they are not among the visible ones...) :shock:

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 8th, 2008, 9:54 am

I began to ignore Kenneth Hagin -who I used to listen to EVERY morning many years ago- when I heard the title of a book he was hawking "How to write your own ticket with God"
It occured to me If I could dictate what God would do that he was subserviant to me, which was a different gospel than what I was familiar with.
Since I ignored Hagin, I was not familiar with any other writings -other than his plagarism of the occultic influenced E W Kenyon.

Since Hagins teachings have metastasized until they permeate (and almost obliterate) Pentecostalism, I highly doubt any WOFer will heed any warning, judging doctrine by success and money, rather than any stricture from "Daddy Hagin".

paul · Postby **paul** » March 8th, 2008, 11:39 am

Pastor Gary wrote:
paul wrote:Do not be so quick to lump every Faith Preacher into one catagory. I would change your wording from THEY SEEM TO REJECT HIS REPROOF, TO, MANY BUT NOT ALL HAVE REJECTED HIS REPROOF.

Paul, would you please provide an example or two of some Faith Preachers who heeded Hagin's correction and rejected the extremes. (They may be out there, but they are not among the visible ones...)

First of all, My local Pastor. He traveld with Benny Hinn for many years, also has traveled with Copeland for more than 15 years to date. He and I spend hours talking and we both see some major changes taking place. We just had a big name here and in conversations there is an expression of a greater purpose of God's blessings instead of just amasing wealth.

Some of the change has come from seeing the excess, some from a deep desire to find the balance and truth in the message.

I move a great deal among this circle as well as others. I see a new horizon. Will it be enough of a change. For some, these men will always be classified as heritics.

This may not seem important to some but the emphisis is changing from 'Giving to Get" to "Receiving to Give".

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » March 8th, 2008, 2:14 pm

Sorry but the "they" I was referring to are those that were invited back to be reproved.

ichthus · Postby **ichthus** » March 8th, 2008, 3:04 pm

They aren't gonna change it now!! It's too much of a money maker for these guys. Give up luxury and oppulence and huge mansions and estates in many cities?? What? Not for these guys (the well known TV ones).

Give up huge carpeted, air-conditioned dog houses (Jim Bakker)? Probably only happen if they get exposed, go to jail and write a book "I was wrong" like Bakker did.

paul · Postby **paul** » March 8th, 2008, 4:49 pm

ichthus wrote:They aren't gonna change it now!! It's too much of a money maker for these guys. Give up luxury and oppulence and huge mansions and estates in many cities?? What? Not for these guys (the well known TV ones).

Give up huge carpeted, air-conditioned dog houses (Jim Bakker)? Probably only happen if they get exposed, go to jail and write a book "I was wrong" like Bakker did.

And who would have ever thought that cogop would no longer consider themselves as the one and only true church. Sorry you guys do not give the Holy Spirit more credit to be able to convict, than you do.

Jennifer Smith · Postby **Jennifer Smith** » March 9th, 2008, 1:35 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:
paul wrote:Do not be so quick to lump every Faith Preacher into one catagory. I would change your wording from THEY SEEM TO REJECT HIS REPROOF, TO, MANY BUT NOT ALL HAVE REJECTED HIS REPROOF.

Paul, would you please provide an example or two of some Faith Preachers who heeded Hagin's correction and rejected the extremes. (They may be out there, but they are not among the visible ones...)

I would add Joyce Meyer and Marilyn Hickey to the list, and Jesse Duplantis. This is as far as I have observed, and more recently. I also appreciate the balance of Marcus and Joni Lamb, founders of Daystar.

The book sounds interesting, I hope it really catches on. I believe God is able to bring about the correction that is needed in the church in this area and this is something to pray for.

MrDanger · Postby **MrDanger** » March 9th, 2008, 2:00 pm

Jennifer Smith wrote:Jesse Duplantis

Oh, thanks for that laugh. I vote this as the funniest post of the year so far. I haven't cried that hard since I was a little school girl. :lol:

Oh. You were serious? :shock:

Ummmm. My apologies. :oops:

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 9th, 2008, 3:52 pm

Jesse Duplantis?!!!!!

The guy who claims angels gather just to hear him preach!!!????

I once heard Marilyn Hickey claim her son or daughter had a basketball game and she sat in the bleachers praying in tounges the whole game.
And GUESS what!? HER TEAM WON!!!

Boy, That's REAL team SPIRIT! And it's Holy, too!

The only CONVICTION these knuckeheads will ever see will be one that draws jail time.

rough_rider · Postby **rough_rider** » March 9th, 2008, 5:39 pm

Gerald Creasy wrote:
I once heard Marilyn Hickey claim her son or daughter had a basketball game and she sat in the bleachers praying in tounges the whole game.
And GUESS what!? HER TEAM WON!!!

Boy, That's REAL team SPIRIT! And it's Holy, too!

I happen to have watched this show also, I do not recall her saying she spoke in tounges, but I do remember her stressing the point her praying during the game caused them to when.. Now if she would only become a Cleveland Browns fan. :wink:

18-0 next year...

Jude 2