Donnie Swaggert rips into "Prosperity Pimps"

[stevenson]

Yeah, your probably right. But it's just my opinion. The whole sex scandal with Swaggart was a result of a fight between him & Marvin Gorman. Both men lost dearly. Neither have the audience or ministry that they once had. Most people think the whole thing was a sex scandal. There was so much more to the story! I'm sure it humbled him in some ways.

I read every book about the PTL, Baker, Swaggart, etc.... , that was put out and still have most of the books. The best 2 books that are not even about the scandal but give you a behind the scenes look are Jak Baker's "Son of a Preacher" and Vestal Goodman's "I Wouldn't Take Nothing". Vestal talks briefly about it and how her & Howard were thrown out of their house by Falwell. And Jay talks about who stood by his dad and who ran. Very good stuff.

[Full Quiver]

Thanks Gerald; I enjoyed that.

[Pastor Gary]

Yeah, your probably right. But it's just my opinion. The whole sex scandal with Swaggart was a result of a fight between him & Marvin Gorman.

Sorry, but I have to take issue with that conclusion: The whole sex scandal with Swaggart was a result of him being drawn away by his own lusts and being easily enticed... and, consequently, losing his ability to keep his body under subjection.

You're blaming the messenger, Gorman, who blew the whistle on his sin, and that is a byproduct of Swaggart's tragic choices, not the start of the problem.

[Dr. Ron]

Please............while I understand your jockularity at the expense of Jimmy Swaggart......he is a great man of God who had a severe problem.

He has asked for forgiveness and has lived with the reproach.....but he is trying to do his best with what he has left for the kingdom. He is a friend and deserves to be given some degree of respect for at least trying to overcome his indiscretions.

Now as for Donnie................I will read the article.....then make comment.

[dawgs10]

Please............while I understand your jockularity at the expense of Jimmy Swaggart......he is a great man of God who had a severe problem.

He has asked for forgiveness and has lived with the reproach.....but he is trying to do his best with what he has left for the kingdom. He is a friend and deserves to be given some degree of respect for at least trying to overcome his indiscretions.

Now as for Donnie................I will read the article.....then make comment.

i dont have issue with the sin Jimmy Swaggart commited because he repented of it. The issue I have is that he refused to accept his organizations correction and would not step down from his ministry for a period that was required. That to me was a reflection of the man. i have more respect for donnie. and the sermon in all 3 parts was great and very needed.

[Mike Vande]

Well, at least Donny's voice finally changed...sorta...

[one love]

I love watching Jimmy swagarts son preach I relly enjoy it. He is right on when it comes to TBN prosperity preaching. I watched him alot but cant find him on tv as much he must have angered the church monopoly of preach wealth HIs son is a good minister.

[me]

gossip and chatter. how many of us would let our lives... i mean entirely...be thrown out to the public. we all have things that are hidden in our closets that have not been dealt with properly. forgiveness is granted to each of us when we repent. shouldn't we offer it the same??

[crispfin]

The best 2 books that are not even about the scandal but give you a behind the scenes look are Jak Baker's "Son of a Preacher" and Vestal Goodman's "I Wouldn't Take Nothing".

I read Jay's book and really liked it. The Sundance documentary series they did on him wasn't bad too.

[DaJudge]

Please............while I understand your jockularity at the expense of Jimmy Swaggart......he is a great man of God who had a severe problem.

He has asked for forgiveness and has lived with the reproach.....but he is trying to do his best with what he has left for the kingdom. He is a friend and deserves to be given some degree of respect for at least trying to overcome his indiscretions.

Now as for Donnie................I will read the article.....then make comment.

i dont have issue with the sin Jimmy Swaggart commited because he repented of it. The issue I have is that he refused to accept his organizations correction and would not step down from his ministry for a period that was required. That to me was a reflection of the man. i have more respect for donnie. and the sermon in all 3 parts was great and very needed.

I agree with the first part of what you said Dawgs. Swaggart should have taken his medicine from the Assembly of God instead of going independent. That showed a lack of repentance. What further showed a lack of repentance was when he was pulled over in 1991 in California by the CA Highway Patrol and had a hooker in his car with him (AGAIN).

As far a Donnie, and the message that Gerald posted, I can't read the man's mind and I don't know his heart, but... his body language and demeanor makes me very suspicious of him. The part where he breaks down in tears looks, to me, about as fake as it did when Jimmy made his famous, "I have sinned against you speech". Further more, I've seen the houses where Jimmy and Donny live, and believe me, they are throwing stones in glass houses when they talk about other preachers living in mansions.

[Dr. Ron]

It is obvious from many of your statements that you neither know Jimmy Swaggart nor all the issues surrounding his problem.

I had the privilige of working with him on a weekly basis for about a year after his "second" humiliation.

First....he was overcome, not by sexual sin. but by pride. "A hauty spirit goeth before destruction and pride goeth before the fall". This was what pushed him over the edge. He stopped following God and began to follow his advisors.....long story.

As for not accepting his " denomination" discipline......it was far different than one thinks. The "denomination" wanted him to divest himself of the JS Ministries and give all the assets to them. They wanted all memory of their affiliation disolved and for him to take all responsibility...When he clearly had reached out for help......none was available.

I sat on his platform many times ...........alone........and he would introduce me as the State Overseer of the COGOP in La. and would say ....."This man is a true friend of this ministry".. I know first hand about this issue.

I can tell you that Stevenson is right to some degree.....Marvin Gorman was a big issue. They had a fierce rivalry. Sad.............

One of my members owned the Lear Jet that Swaggart flew in. He allowed him to use it at his leisure. It never belonged to the Swaggart ministries.

A sad comentary on this is the way we are all willing to "shoot the wounded"

So go ahead and make your statements of judgement.....I hope Grace will be extended to us all ..........who will one day need it .....,more than it was to JS or MG.

[paul]

In Romans 14:1-12 Paul speaks of the Law of Libery, there is no question that he is referring to more than simply a dietary law. I should not be because of experience, but I am still shocked, and saddened by how quick believers and ministers are to gloat in the fall, hurt, and humiliation of a fellow believer. I am reminded of the vultures that hang around in the trees waiting for a wounded animal to die, so they can pounce on it and devoure it.

Rom 14:1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.


Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

[free]

Dr. Ron is there anyone you dont' know?

[Dr. Ron]

Free:

I know a very large number of ministries. I have been around a long time and I have known many of them since their beginning.

I worked with Jim and Tammie when they were just living in a camper trailer and doing children's ministry.

My group, The World Challenge Singers, sang for Pat Robertson when he first started the 700 club in a garage.

I have worked with and around a lot of folks...

I don't know Bennie Hinn....although I had the opportunity and declined.

[Shellie]

Dr. Ron wrote:

I don't know Bennie Hinn....although I had the opportunity and declined.

Why?