Why are COGOP Overseers leaving to pastor in denominations?

secretary · Postby **secretary** » March 24th, 2008, 2:49 pm

Why are former State Overseers like Jerry Smith and Lanis Lewis leaving COGOP to pastor in different denominations?

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » March 24th, 2008, 2:52 pm

because they want to? :lol:

have you asked them?

dawgs10 · Postby **dawgs10** » March 24th, 2008, 2:56 pm

secretary wrote:Why are former State Overseers like Jerry Smith and Lanis Lewis leaving COGOP to pastor in different denominations?

in brother lewis case he truly felt lead to co pastor a church with someone that he had been ministering with for a year or two before. it wasnt about money or that he disagreed with anything. he followed the leading of the Lord.

DaJudge · Postby **DaJudge** » March 24th, 2008, 3:15 pm

secretary wrote:Why are former State Overseers like Jerry Smith and Lanis Lewis leaving COGOP to pastor in different denominations?

Lanis left nearly 10 years ago. Why are you acting like this is a new development?

Paully_44 · Postby **Paully_44** » March 24th, 2008, 4:09 pm

RamboPreacher wrote:because they want to?

have you asked them?

That would make too much sense.

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » March 24th, 2008, 5:21 pm

secretary wrote:Why are former State Overseers like Jerry Smith and Lanis Lewis leaving COGOP to pastor in different denominations?

Does it make any difference that they were Overseers? We've lost many wonderful ministers who were not Overseers: Terry Mahan, Guy Lindsey, Tom Jones, Bill Marion, and many others,... We've lost others who were: Dr. Ron, Wade Phillips, etc...

pa

Mister Ed · Postby **Mister Ed** » March 24th, 2008, 5:21 pm

find out 'why'.

Any of you who left the COGOP; did anyone in the church ever ask you why you left? :roll:

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » March 24th, 2008, 5:49 pm

There is no simple answer.....but neither is is that complicated/

It has a lot to do with communication.
It has a lot to do with direction and vision. or the lack thereof.

It has to do with power struggles and position.

In my case, it was a matter of communication.

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » March 24th, 2008, 5:51 pm

And to answer your question......no, no one really cared. The attitude was ..."if you don't like it here,,,,just leave" so I did.

I went to the GA a year later and was actually asked ...."didn't you used to be Ron Hamm"?

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » March 24th, 2008, 6:02 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:I went to the GA a year later and was actually asked ...."didn't you used to be Ron Hamm"?

Linda · Postby **Linda** » March 24th, 2008, 6:12 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:And to answer your question......cno, no one really cared. The attitude was ..."if you don't like it here,,,,just leave" so I did.

I went to the GA a year later and was actually asked ...."didn't you used to be Ron Hamm"?

I cared (but, I don't count :wink:

) and I still care! When I heard you had left, I was living in Texas. I was really heartbroken...your family has always held a special place in my heart! Tell you what!...you can sit with all us Jude2 folks at the GA this year and we will throw rocks at anyone that looks at you cross-eyed!!!! :lol:

secretary · Postby **secretary** » March 24th, 2008, 6:45 pm

I had not seen or heard from Bishop Lewis in several years, but I heard he was pastoring a church in Florida.

secretary · Postby **secretary** » March 24th, 2008, 6:48 pm

[quote="DaJudge"][quote="secretary"]Why are former State Overseers like Jerry Smith and Lanis Lewis leaving COGOP to pastor in different denominations?[/quote]

Lanis left nearly 10 years ago. Why are you acting like this is a new development?[/quote]

I have seen or heard from Bishop Lewis in several years. I heard he was pastoring a cogop in Florida.

paul · Postby **paul** » March 24th, 2008, 7:30 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:And to answer your question......no, no one really cared. The attitude was ..."if you don't like it here,,,,just leave" so I did.

I went to the GA a year later and was actually asked ...."didn't you used to be Ron Hamm"?

other than a few close friends and some precious members were I last pastored....no one cared. No leadership, no one.

But I will be honest, if some in leadership did ask or try to presuade me to stay , I would not have. I knew I had heard God and that it was time, I had struggled with the decission for a couple of years.

I will make this statement, it has been discussed before to some degree.
It is the difference between loyality and relationship. there was a time when people were loyal, whether to a cause or a denom. today it is very different. I believe today people stay because of relationship with one another and not simply blind loyality. ( and I don't mean the last statement in any derogatory way).

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » March 24th, 2008, 8:18 pm

secretary wrote:Why are former State Overseers like Jerry Smith and Lanis Lewis leaving COGOP to pastor in different denominations?

secretary wrote:I have seen or heard from Bishop Lewis in several years. I heard he was pastoring a cogop in Florida.

Your posts are conflicting. First, you ask why Lanis Lewis has left the COGOP, then you state you hear he is at a COGOP in FL? Which is it?

pa

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