Family prayed instead of getting medical aid 11 yr old dies

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 25th, 2008, 9:51 pm

WESTON, Wis. (AP) - Police in the Wausau suburb of Weston say an 11-year-old girl has died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin says Madeline Neumann died Sunday, and an autopsy determined the cause was diabetic ketoacidosis (KEE'-toh-ASS'-eh-DOH'-sis), which left her with too little insulin in her body. The chief says she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

Vergin says the girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, believed the key to healing was to keep praying and have more people help pray.

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=8068608

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » March 26th, 2008, 3:22 am

interesting. of course we know they would never do a story on when "prayer" does work.

one love · Postby **one love** » March 26th, 2008, 3:28 am

im still not over the picture of Danny with the steelers tat on his head :lol:

Rambo you are correct and this also may land into a issue of if you do not desire to go to the er the other responsible party could be prosecuted. That is not right either.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » March 26th, 2008, 4:47 am

Vergin says the girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, believed the key to healing was to keep praying and have more people help pray.

Is this statement not true?

Since when has medical science developed a cure or since when are they able to heal diabetes?

scooter · Postby **scooter** » March 26th, 2008, 4:54 am

Full Quiver wrote:
Vergin says the girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, believed the key to healing was to keep praying and have more people help pray.

Is this statement not true?

Since when has medical science developed a cure or since when are they able to heal diabetes?

Response: I think the issue is treatment enough to live with it rather than die from it.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » March 26th, 2008, 5:11 am

I understand that but people do die everyday from diabetes around the world. I really don't think this post was about that but more about people praying for healing. Were they unwise? You be the judge? Does God heal? YES He does. Can man heal? No he cannot.

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 26th, 2008, 5:15 am

Full Quiver wrote:I understand that but people do die everyday from diabetes around the world. I really don't think this post was about that but more about people praying for healing. Were they unwise? You be the judge? Does God heal? YES He does. Can man heal? No he cannot.

Then why are you taking your wife to a man today?

Ilovebigcats · Postby **Ilovebigcats** » March 26th, 2008, 5:19 am

Gerald Creasy wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:I understand that but people do die everyday from diabetes around the world. I really don't think this post was about that but more about people praying for healing. Were they unwise? You be the judge? Does God heal? YES He does. Can man heal? No he cannot.

Then why are you taking your wife to a man today?

It isn't his choice but you keep pushing me towards what I feel and I will throw my coumadin down the toilet and never go back. My intentions today are to tell them that I will NOT take blood thinners for 6 months. I am not going to put a dangerous bandaid on the symptom. They can try to find the problem and I will think about how to deal with that.

I do lack faith in myself, not God. That is my battle. Keep your chihuahua bark out of my fight.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » March 26th, 2008, 5:25 am

Cause you won't pray. No really, the problem is that us Christians find it easier to treat symtoms instead of pray for healing. Too often we here negatives about people dying in their faith, like that's a bad thing, instead of the negatives of people dying in the hospitals, on all kinds of meds, etc. etc. We let the Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn's of this world distort what the bible says and distort our belief system to the point that we turn from Christ's willingness and ability and look to man.

It's simple Gerald, I know that this doc to day or the one next week or any thereafter have no healing ability. If they did then the passages concerning Jesus' stripes would be without worth and in fact His suffering because of such would have been in vain. Man would also have you to believe that he can offer you salvation. When will you swallow that?

I know man can't heal, am not looking for him to do so, but am willingly being treated for symptoms. even if they discover why Wen has blood clots they can't heal it. They will then only be able to treat that. If man could heal then there would be no death.

The question remains

Quote:
Vergin says the girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, believed the key to healing was to keep praying and have more people help pray.

Is this statement not true?

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Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 26th, 2008, 5:43 am

Full Quiver wrote:The question remains
Quote:
Vergin says the girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, believed the key to healing was to keep praying and have more people help pray.

Is this statement not true?

NO IT IS NOT TRUE.

THE KEY TO HEALING IS WHETHER GOD DESIRES TO HEAL YOU OR NOT.

You can NOT demonstrate from Scripture that it is Gods desire to ALWAYS heal.

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 26th, 2008, 5:45 am

Ilovebigcats wrote:I do lack faith in myself, not God. That is my battle. Keep your chihuahua bark out of my fight.

Yo Quiero credo!

Show me in scripture where you are supposed to have faith in yourself.

Ilovebigcats · Postby **Ilovebigcats** » March 26th, 2008, 5:53 am

Mar 9:23-24 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are] possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Is it that time of the month for you Gerald? Time to attack the little man? Did you run out of scoop on the big dogs?

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » March 26th, 2008, 5:54 am

Ilovebigcats wrote:Mar 9:23-24 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are] possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Is it that time of the month for you Gerald? Time to attack the little man? Did you run out of scoop on the big dogs?

Naw, I'm just racing midgets.

Where in that scripture does it say to have faith in YOURSELF?

Alan · Postby **Alan** » March 26th, 2008, 6:46 am

I believe that God heals, but he can also use doctors. To not go to a doctor is kind of like refusing to get out of a burning building, because you know that God can save you. Just my humble opinion.

Pastor Bill · Postby **Pastor Bill** » March 26th, 2008, 7:05 am

Accepting help is not denying God's ability to heal.

I 100% believe in healing, and I agree we need to trust more in God for these things, BUT God also told us to use wisdom, which means we should treat symptoms while we continue to pray. One does not have to exclude the other.

In this case, using a little wisdom, their daughter could have been treated and the outcome may have been different. You are right though, many people do die of diabetes, and the results may have been the same, but would the treatments have eased her pain?

Why would seeking medical assistance have prevented them from praying for healing? Can God not move through doctors just as he does through any other person?

I know God can do anything, but that doesn't mean that I sit by and watch for Him to do it all. If I cut my finger, should I cover the wound? should I put pressure on it to stop the bleeding? or should I hold it up and pray and just let the blood flow till God intervenes?

Sometimes we confuse stubbornness with Faith, and that gets us into trouble.

Jude 2