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Postby Pastor Gary » March 27th, 2008, 6:07 pm

Call me crazy, but some of you have been swilling the anti-success, anti-capitalism, neo-socialist, the-big-bad-WalMart-is-evil Koolaid.

Has everyone lost their ability to apply critical thinking and understand that there are two sides to every story? Here's an academic rebuttal.
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Postby DaJudge » March 27th, 2008, 6:27 pm

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BETTER VALUES is what they want you to believe. On some things, they will roll back prices, but overall they are often higher than other competitors.

The local WM here will actually send associates to my "humble discount store" to check prices, then they will go back and undercut particular items by 1 to 3 cents. It's hilarious to think a huge player like WM would feel threatened by a small local business. 8)

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Well I guess I and millions of other customers who shop at Walmart are dead wrong then. Guess I'll switch to Kroger. :roll:

Why do you think Walmart is putting other stores out of business? Are we all just mind numbed robots? No, American consumers vote with their pocket books, and we vote for the place that saves us money. You people are such haters. I hope you anti-success folks vote for Hillary. You sound just like her.

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Postby Gerald Creasy » March 27th, 2008, 6:58 pm

Well, Gee.....they just opened up the biggest Walmart I've ever seen only 4 miles from the house.


Since Walmart is legally within their rights and essentially those that criticize are criticizing a business entity for not having heart, why not put your own money where your whine is?
As an individual You have a heart. Your mission as a Christian is to give and help the suffering. Find out how to donate to this woman.

Now, Watch how quickly we all become little Walmarts ourselves.

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Postby pastorables » March 27th, 2008, 7:35 pm

DaJudge wrote:Well I guess I and millions of other customers who shop at Walmart are dead wrong then. Guess I'll switch to Kroger. :roll:

Why do you think Walmart is putting other stores out of business? Are we all just mind numbed robots? No, American consumers vote with their pocket books, and we vote for the place that saves us money. You people are such haters. I hope you anti-success folks vote for Hillary. You sound just like her.


Not a hater here! I shop at Wal-Mart, but I'm a business man also. I know the trade of the salesman. Wal-Mart spent years hooking everyone with "best values under the sun" and "roll'em, roll'em, roll'em back" ads, yet now, many items, not all, are just as high or higher than the next store. Why do many Americans buy this? Who was it that said something about a "sucker born every minute"? :wink:

Seriously, it's all about "mentality". Americans have bought into many ad schemes over the years and it has worked to build big business. Advertising is a powerful tool and can be very convincing, if not deceptive at times. Remember the Reese's Pieces in E.T.? That ad spot was turned down by M & M's.

Wal-Mart has created almost a type of phenomena. I will admit to being in Florida, Texas, or even Utah and feeling a little closer to home to see a Wal-Mart. That's exactly the way they want us to feel. I'm not saying that's bad, but I will not be deceived by the "their prices are always cheaper", when I know it's not the truth.

I'll use my own store for an example, people will come through saying "I can get this or that cheaper at Wal-Mart" with me knowing the exact Wal-Mart price of the item. One lady said this about my mega Huggies diapers which I sale exactly $2 less than the local Wal-Mart, yet her brain told her that she could get them cheaper at America's store. Business is one thing I understand and Wal-Mart has quietly created a picture that isn't always true. I would challenge anyone to shop before blindly accepting the Wal-Mart claim of lowest prices. Fred's and Dollar General both actually beat Wal-Mart on many items now. I would however recommend supporting your hometown Mom & Pop's type establishments as much as possible though. :wink:

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Re: Critical thinking

Postby RamboPreacher » March 28th, 2008, 2:09 am

Pastor Gary wrote:Call me crazy, but some of you have been swilling the anti-success, anti-capitalism, neo-socialist, the-big-bad-WalMart-is-evil Koolaid.

Has everyone lost their ability to apply critical thinking and understand that there are two sides to every story? Here's an academic rebuttal.
thank you, this is exactly the kind of rebuttal that I was asking for earlier.

I live in America, not Canada.
I live in America, not Mexico,
I live in America, not Israel.
I live in America, not Iraq
I live in AMERICA, not China.

Isn't it interesting that America is one of the only countries that has full potential and allows one to gain capital and acquire wealth, in order to comfortably move away from that freedom, if we don't happen to agree with that freedom.

As has been mentioned, a company is neither evil or good, it is the individual person that can be either; and to prejudge a company as evil is to prejudge the employees as evil.
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Postby MrDanger » March 28th, 2008, 3:42 am

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MrDanger wrote:
EagerBeaver wrote: Wal-Qaeda.


That is absolutely disgusting. To equate a business you may not care for to terrorists that slaughter innocents is absolutely disgusting. You, of all people, should not take true terrorists and make light of them.


I am using that term in reference to this.


Well, that makes the use of that term soooo much better. :roll:
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Postby MrDanger » March 28th, 2008, 3:44 am

By the way, when you do some research into these Michael Moore style documentaries, several of them have been done or funded by unions.

Why? Because, as a whole, Wal-mart doesn't allow unions. It's ticked the unions off for years that they can't control one of the most successful companies of all time.
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Postby DaJudge » March 28th, 2008, 4:11 am

pastorables wrote:I'll use my own store for an example, people will come through saying "I can get this or that cheaper at Wal-Mart" with me knowing the exact Wal-Mart price of the item. pa


Ah, so you are a hater! Wally world is taking away your business. Now we get to the root of the matter.

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Re: Critical thinking

Postby MacUser » March 28th, 2008, 4:32 am

Pastor Gary wrote:Call me crazy, but some of you have been swilling the anti-success, anti-capitalism, neo-socialist, the-big-bad-WalMart-is-evil Koolaid.


Again, I have to agree with PG here.

Speaking to how Wal-Mart has destroyed small towns etc. Yep, It's possible... because the business model works and works well.

When you invent something that changes everything... as a result others suffer that carried the status quo. This doesn't make it good or evil. We have to remember.. nothing is static, nothing can remain the same.. and things will always change.

Example: When Thomas Edison changed the world with a working light bulb... just imagine how that harmed the candle industry. When Henry Ford invented the first mass produced cars.. imagine how that damaged the horse/buggy carriage industry.

On the opposite side.. we could have unbreakable glass in our autos (no more broken windshields).. but we can't because the Glass Industry Lobby would be effected. Which is better?
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Postby pastorables » March 28th, 2008, 5:20 am

DaJudge wrote:
pastorables wrote:I'll use my own store for an example, people will come through saying "I can get this or that cheaper at Wal-Mart" with me knowing the exact Wal-Mart price of the item. pa


Ah, so you are a hater! Wally world is taking away your business. Now we get to the root of the matter.


Actually, I'm taking their's, but that's another story. :lol: We are a true "discount" store. Honestly, they will beat my prices on VERY few items. I actually have Wal-Mart employees who shop with us.

I should have known you would skip the meat of one of my greatest posts for the benefit of Jude2 mankind to create a smokescreen. 8) :wink:
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Re: Critical thinking

Postby pastorables » March 28th, 2008, 5:22 am

MacUser wrote:When you invent something that changes everything... as a result others suffer that carried the status quo. This doesn't make it good or evil. We have to remember.. nothing is static, nothing can remain the same.. and things will always change.


Ummmm... like the shrinking dollar? :shock: :wink:
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Postby dolfan » March 28th, 2008, 5:25 am

DaJudge wrote:WalMart is neither good nor evil. There was and is a market in the United States for goods at low prices. Sam Walton saw that and profited greatly (and so have Wal Mart share holders, of which you probably are one, if you have a 401K)

If you don't like Walmarts benefits and employment practices, don't work there. Don't shop there. What do you folks want to do? Do you think the government should step in and shut Walmart down?


100% agree.

I also think WM is Evil, Inc. But, I shop there. I know what I'm doing. In the end, I'm just like every other money grubber out there, want to save my money by buying as cheaply as I can. Its a people trough, and I'm in the slop. :roll: But, I want the government to stay out of it.
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Postby Pastor Bill » March 28th, 2008, 5:46 am

The fact is Walmart often has better prices, but that's not always the case. In the town where I work (lived/worked there for 16 years, other than moving to pastor, but continuing to work there) we had an older small walmart, and many (including myself) would drive to the next town over to buy groceries from Kroger or WalMart Supercenter because we could save money. When Walmart built a local supercenter, we had almost immediately one grocery go out of business, another barely hung on for a few years, and now it's pretty much just WalMart & Save-a-Lot.

Did those stores have higher prices, yes, and due to that they lost business, that's the way it goes.

Someone mentioned the "city council" that kept them out of one town, how many on that council own the small shops that would suffer because their prices are much higher?

I do think that there are better prices on many things, and for that you need to shop around, but the fact is, Walmart is in many ways just doing better business, and some people just don't like that.
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Re: Critical thinking

Postby MacUser » March 28th, 2008, 5:46 am

pastorables wrote:
MacUser wrote:When you invent something that changes everything... as a result others suffer that carried the status quo. This doesn't make it good or evil. We have to remember.. nothing is static, nothing can remain the same.. and things will always change.


Ummmm... like the shrinking dollar? :shock: :wink:


Ahh.. But the fundamental problem of the shrinking dollar is a weakening economy, the aftermath of overinflated credit markets, investors losing money and a lack of confidence in the U.S. economy.

Everyone go out and spend more money at Wal-Mart (ahem Thrift stores) and don't default on credit!!
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Postby DaJudge » March 28th, 2008, 5:49 am

pastorables wrote:
Actually, I'm taking their's, but that's another story. :lol: We are a true "discount" store. Honestly, they will beat my prices on VERY few items. I actually have Wal-Mart employees who shop with us.



That being the case, I'm sure you'll be putting your local Walmart out of business any day now. :roll:


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