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Re: Lottery

Postby RamboPreacher » April 4th, 2008, 4:16 am

Figilife wrote:Even tho it is wrong to gamble it is still an income so therefore you would tithe on it, anything ($) that is an increase or income.
and why is it wrong to gamble? (in general and as a complete abstaining reference) do you have scriptural reference for this?
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Postby Figilife » April 4th, 2008, 7:49 am

You have got to be kidding???? I will just say King James
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Figilife wrote:You have got to be kidding???? I will just say King James


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Re: Lottery

Postby RamboPreacher » April 4th, 2008, 8:14 am

Figilife wrote:You have got to be kidding???? I will just say King James
no, I am not kidding. there is no reference to gambling in teh KJV.

I find no teachings in the Bible that say that you should never gamble. there is much about stewardship; and there are references to casting "lots", but no teaching saying "do not gamble" :)
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Lottery Gambling etc....

Postby Figilife » April 4th, 2008, 8:20 am

The Bible does warn us, however, to stay away from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Scripture also encourages us to stay away from attempts to "get rich quick" (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Gambling most definitely is focused on the love of money and undeniably tempts people with the promise of quick and easy riches.
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Re: Lottery Gambling etc....

Postby RamboPreacher » April 4th, 2008, 9:14 am

Figilife wrote:The Bible does warn us, however, to stay away from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5).
I realize this, but you are apparently equating the love of money and gambling, as if it is maybe the same thing, or at least saying that the love of money (greed) is at the heart of ALL gambling. - I do not agree with either concept. I am not denying that greed is not at the heart of some that Gamble, but to say for all is a judgment that the Bible does not make, and neither will I.
Scripture also encourages us to stay away from attempts to "get rich quick" (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Gambling most definitely is focused on the love of money and undeniably tempts people with the promise of quick and easy riches.
again, I understand these, but again, you are straying from the initial question; as if you are either equating that Gambling is ALWAYS get rich quick (reflected in the love of money, BTW as Greed, here as well, so really the same issue, in my studied opinion), or at least that "get rich quick" (greed), is at the heart of ALL gambling. again, I disagree with that paradigm.

Gambling may be bad, and a sin for some, but to say that all Christians MUST abstain from all forms of gambling as a doctrinal statement is incorrect, again, in opinion. Especially if one were to make a judgment to the effect that "Christians don't gamble".

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Postby one love » April 4th, 2008, 9:16 am

let me get this straight, rolling dice for money, poker games, casinos are ok nothing wrong with it.

:shock:
It is an addictive thing as well just as strong as drug use. To search "gambling" in the bible ans then say "it is not there" it is ok is a false way to look at this. "crack" is not in the bible either.....

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Postby RamboPreacher » April 4th, 2008, 9:23 am

one love wrote:let me get this straight, rolling dice for money, poker games, casinos are ok nothing wrong with it.

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never said it was. please reread my posts without your apparent, and probably heard-for-years, preconceived ideas of what it is to "gamble".
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gAMBLING, lOTTERY ETC...

Postby Figilife » April 4th, 2008, 9:24 am

LETS END THIS WITH IF JESUS WAS STANDING NEXT TO YOU WOULD YOU STILL PLAY THAT TICKET? ROLL THOSE DICE? RAMBO I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAY SURE I WOULD BUT FOR THE REAL HONEST HEARTED ONES I DON'T THINK SO
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Postby one love » April 4th, 2008, 9:31 am

RamboPreacher wrote:
one love wrote:let me get this straight, rolling dice for money, poker games, casinos are ok nothing wrong with it.

:shock:
never said it was. please reread my posts without your apparent, and probably heard-for-years, preconceived ideas of what it is to "gamble".


i typed my post before yours was added. I dont have preconcieved ideas regading gambling i usd to gamble and im asking if you think that really is not a sin.

gamblling is gambling
so rolling dice, poker, casinos are gambling and you feel this is not sinful.

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Re: gAMBLING, lOTTERY ETC...

Postby RamboPreacher » April 4th, 2008, 9:33 am

Figilife wrote:LETS END THIS WITH IF JESUS WAS STANDING NEXT TO YOU WOULD YOU STILL PLAY THAT TICKET? ROLL THOSE DICE? RAMBO I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAY SURE I WOULD BUT FOR THE REAL HONEST HEARTED ONES I DON'T THINK SO
you may find that you are incorrect. But it appears that you also have a preconceived idea as to what gambling is.

do you have a bank account that draws interest? what about a retirement fund? maybe you don't actually have any form of insurance at all, but where I live, that would be illegal. do you drive? have you ever been in an air plane? do you have a job? there are many forms of gambling.

If one is going to have a doctrinal statement that is complete prohibition and abstinence, then what is being obtained should be more clearly defined, especially when there is no direct Biblical reference.

(and, I am sorry if I offend you with my opinions, but there is no need to yell at me/us. :) )
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Postby RamboPreacher » April 4th, 2008, 9:36 am

one love wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:
one love wrote:let me get this straight, rolling dice for money, poker games, casinos are ok nothing wrong with it.

:shock:
never said it was. please reread my posts without your apparent, and probably heard-for-years, preconceived ideas of what it is to "gamble".


i typed my post before yours was added. I dont have preconcieved ideas regading gambling i usd to gamble and im asking if you think that really is not a sin.

gamblling is gambling
so rolling dice, poker, casinos are gambling and you feel this is not sinful.
I disagree. you have listed a few things that are considered gambling, but I have also listed some things considered gambling in my previous post. Please provide the scriptural references that directly teach the doctrinal statement that it is a sin to gamble in any and all cases. If you can't, it is a personal opinion and theology, and not something that should be taught as a doctrine.
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Re: gAMBLING, lOTTERY ETC...

Postby one love » April 4th, 2008, 9:37 am

RamboPreacher wrote:
Figilife wrote:LETS END THIS WITH IF JESUS WAS STANDING NEXT TO YOU WOULD YOU STILL PLAY THAT TICKET? ROLL THOSE DICE? RAMBO I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAY SURE I WOULD BUT FOR THE REAL HONEST HEARTED ONES I DON'T THINK SO
you may find that you are incorrect. But it appears that you also have a preconceived idea as to what gambling is.

do you have a bank account that draws interest? what about a retirement fund? maybe you don't actually have any form of insurance at all, but where I live, that would be illegal. do you drive? have you ever been in an air plane? do you have a job? there are many forms of gambling.

If one is going to have a doctrinal statement that is complete prohibition and abstinence, then what is being obtained should be more clearly defined, especially when there is no direct Biblical reference.

(and, I am sorry if I offend you with my opinions, but there is no need to yell at me/us. :) )


rambo in all fairness that simply is not true we are all talking about "gambling" in the same context not interst baring accounts. I kinda feel that is such a cop out, i mean no disrespect but go ask 50 people on the street what is gambling and let me no what you find :wink:

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Postby INLOVE » April 4th, 2008, 9:38 am

one love wrote:let me get this straight, rolling dice for money, poker games, casinos are ok nothing wrong with it.

:shock:
It is an addictive thing as well just as strong as drug use. To search "gambling" in the bible ans then say "it is not there" it is ok is a false way to look at this. "crack" is not in the bible either.....


I am addicted to coffee. Uh Oh. :shock:
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Postby one love » April 4th, 2008, 9:41 am

RamboPreacher wrote:
one love wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:
one love wrote:let me get this straight, rolling dice for money, poker games, casinos are ok nothing wrong with it.

:shock:
never said it was. please reread my posts without your apparent, and probably heard-for-years, preconceived ideas of what it is to "gamble".


i typed my post before yours was added. I dont have preconcieved ideas regading gambling i usd to gamble and im asking if you think that really is not a sin.

gamblling is gambling
so rolling dice, poker, casinos are gambling and you feel this is not sinful.
I disagree. you have listed a few things that are considered gambling, but I have also listed some things considered gambling in my previous post. Please provide the scriptural references that directly teach the doctrinal statement that it is a sin to gamble in any and all cases. If you can't, it is a personal opinion and theology, and not something that should be taught as a doctrine.


This would be a long response in reference to holiness and abstaining from things that are so destrictive. Can you give references in the bible the crack is wrong? I can give a long drawn out reference and it will combine many things that are just wordly unholy things, it will be tossed aside as legalistic because it is now uncommon to call sin, sin.
You dont find many things that are sin anymore with some and therfore some can be saved and live as they always have........


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