I won!!!!!

[Full Quiver]

even if gambling is not addictive if it hurts your family it must be wrong

a one time lapse in judgment is still a lapse in judgment

I have a friend who's wife won the lottery, $250,000
she is now an addict and spends every dollar she can get her hands on to play

my friend must take her to the grocery and pay, he keeps ALL the money
it's sad

Now for ujs to throw around the notion that this is all harmless and that it is no way sinful, ever, under any circumstances is wrong
In fact if she were to give her heart to the Lord and then see the liberty that some have/take in this it could cause her to stumble

I have bought a few lottery tickets in my life, less than $25 in the 4 years that TN has had one
it could be addictive and that certainly would not please the Lord
if it were a habit then things could get out of hand

[RamboPreacher]

is smoking crack, shooting heroin or snorting cocain, smoking pot a sin?
Please note why you feel the way you do with your answer and i feel we can get this right out. i said i could give a nice long post relative to holiness and why i feel this is sinful but I said i know what the reply would be, before i ever posted it i got the reply i knew i would get, therefore since the question has been posed answer these please and we will move forward.

smoking crack, heroin, cocaine, smoking weed, is it a sin and why or why not?

you are now taking this off topic even further. maybe you should start another thread?

[one love]

is smoking crack, shooting heroin or snorting cocain, smoking pot a sin?
Please note why you feel the way you do with your answer and i feel we can get this right out. i said i could give a nice long post relative to holiness and why i feel this is sinful but I said i know what the reply would be, before i ever posted it i got the reply i knew i would get, therefore since the question has been posed answer these please and we will move forward.

smoking crack, heroin, cocaine, smoking weed, is it a sin and why or why not?

you are now taking this off topic even further. maybe you should start another thread?

well that is how i feel so to answer the question since everyone assumed why it is sin, I ask is crack heroin, etc sin if so why or why not.
Is it because it is addictive or destroys or ok in moderation, there is a reason here.

[RamboPreacher]

is smoking crack, shooting heroin or snorting cocain, smoking pot a sin?
Please note why you feel the way you do with your answer and i feel we can get this right out. i said i could give a nice long post relative to holiness and why i feel this is sinful but I said i know what the reply would be, before i ever posted it i got the reply i knew i would get, therefore since the question has been posed answer these please and we will move forward.

smoking crack, heroin, cocaine, smoking weed, is it a sin and why or why not?

you are now taking this off topic even further. maybe you should start another thread?

well that is how i feel so to answer the question since everyone assumed why it is sin, I ask is crack heroin, etc sin if so why or why not.
Is it because it is addictive or destroys or ok in moderation, there is a reason here.

once again, you are choosing to have an extremely narrow view of what gambling is. You choose to relate it to illegal and illicit use of drugs. I do not. If you are going to have that wide definition of gambling, then how are you able to eat? farming is a gamble. do you have a bank account? a retirement account, any investments at all. Insurance? You call those things a cop-out to me, but they are risks of monetary gain as well.

Remember that given you apparent limited and vertical definition of what "gambling" is, I have agreed with you. but that definition is not complete, in my opinion. This tells me that that you are one that will drink the old wine and say that it is good enough.

This has been said previously, and I will not further communicate your extreme view, because you apparently need a list, or set of rules that you can check off as something that you can or can not do.

[ichthus]

I don't consider one love's view to be extreme.
If you were ever to read the results of genuine historical revivals, most of these type of places (casinos, etc.) were shut down because of the work in people's hearts. To me this fits in with a lot of things that by themselves are not that big of a deal, but at the same time are more connected with a "whole other lifestyle" and view of life and morality that is very distant from the biblical one. Some might call that "guilt by association".

We live in a time where just about anything is "winked at" by american churchianity. You are too extreme if you are offended by nudity and swearing in movies. It doesn't matter. It won't hurt to rent R rated movies and just ignore all the cussing and nudity just as long as you enjoy the movie and keep an open mind. Even though they are all "small" things, they reflect a heart attitude that is totally at home and comfortable in just about any environment. Finney felt convicted for singing or whistling a worldly song. American modern churchianity doesn't feel uncomfortable or not at home anywhere or with almost anything (except maybe homosexuality?) But you look at american churchianity that is a thousand miles wide and an inch deep and really in so many ways with no permanent change and no lasting results. I would rather "err" on the side of some of the points of view of the great historical revivals such as Finney.Wesley, the Welsh revival, etc. that by american standards would be considered total fanaticism. I am no legalist. I don't specifically condemn either a lot of these "small" issues. But taken all together, I really think they are a reflection of the state and the spiritual depth of the american church.

[one love]

I don't consider one love's view to be extreme.
If you were ever to read the results of genuine historical revivals, most of these type of places (casinos, etc.) were shut down because of the work in people's hearts. To me this fits in with a lot of things that by themselves are not that big of a deal, but at the same time are more connected with a "whole other lifestyle" and view of life and morality that is very distant from the biblical one. Some might call that "guilt by association".

We live in a time where just about anything is "winked at" by american churchianity. You are too extreme if you are offended by nudity and swearing in movies. It doesn't matter. It won't hurt to rent R rated movies and just ignore all the cussing and nudity just as long as you enjoy the movie and keep an open mind. Even though they are all "small" things, they reflect a heart attitude that is totally at home and comfortable in just about any environment. Finney felt convicted for singing or whistling a worldly song. American modern churchianity doesn't feel uncomfortable or not at home anywhere or with almost anything (except maybe homosexuality?) But you look at american churchianity that is a thousand miles wide and an inch deep and really in so many ways with no permanent change and no lasting results. I would rather "err" on the side of some of the points of view of the great historical revivals such as Finney.Wesley, the Welsh revival, etc. that by american standards would be considered total fanaticism. I am no legalist. I don't specifically condemn either a lot of these "small" issues. But taken all together, I really think they are a reflection of the state and the spiritual depth of the american church.

good post

[RamboPreacher]

I don't consider one love's view to be extreme.
If you were ever to read the results of genuine historical revivals, most of these type of places (casinos, etc.) were shut down because of the work in people's hearts. To me this fits in with a lot of things that by themselves are not that big of a deal, but at the same time are more connected with a "whole other lifestyle" and view of life and morality that is very distant from the biblical one. Some might call that "guilt by association".

but again, you two seem to share the limited (in my opinion) view of what is "gambling".

We live in a time where just about anything is "winked at" by american churchianity.

I disagree. I think that this may be something that you perceive in your area/region, but to say this as a wide paint brush picture, I would have to disagree.

You are too extreme if you are offended by nudity and swearing in movies. It doesn't matter. It won't hurt to rent R rated movies and just ignore all the cussing and nudity just as long as you enjoy the movie and keep an open mind. Even though they are all "small" things, they reflect a heart attitude that is totally at home and comfortable in just about any environment. Finney felt convicted for singing or whistling a worldly song. American modern churchianity doesn't feel uncomfortable or not at home anywhere or with almost anything (except maybe homosexuality?) But you look at american churchianity that is a thousand miles wide and an inch deep and really in so many ways with no permanent change and no lasting results. I would rather "err" on the side of some of the points of view of the great historical revivals such as Finney.Wesley, the Welsh revival, etc. that by american standards would be considered total fanaticism. I am no legalist. I don't specifically condemn either a lot of these "small" issues. But taken all together, I really think they are a reflection of the state and the spiritual depth of the american church.

I will agree to disagree with you both. I will call sin a sin, when the Bible is clear as to what that sin is. if we have to make interpretations of scripture to pull out a particular doctrinal statement then I believe that we should take a step back and examine what is being taught.

As example, I have said that I agree that habitual gambling that affects the persons relationship with God, and their family in a negative nature is an issue and sin. (Even assuming that the gambling is legal). but to say that ALL gambling is sin, is in itself a sin, as someone making that statement is pushing their interpretation of what sin is on other people; when it is not plainly available in scripture for all to see as listed as a sin.

so, I agree that what you call sin is sin. I have no doubt that that kind of "gambling" is sin. but for me to say that ALL gambling is sin, is a statement I can not make.

[free]

OK...I'm taking bets on how long this post will continue...Anybody want a piece of the action?

[Paully_44]

OK...I'm taking bets on how long this post will continue...Anybody want a piece of the action?

Depends, you giving odds also ?

[free]

I don't know what odds are but I did hear some "sinner" friends talking about them one time!

[Susie Hamilton]

OK...I'm taking bets on how long this post will continue...Anybody want a piece of the action?

I'm going with 3 days, Wednesday, April 9. What do I win if I am correct?????

[free]

Rahab wrote:

I'm going with 3 days, Wednesday, April 9. What do I win if I am correct?????

I've got a dusty copy of Upon This Rock, Vol. 1 that's up for grabs!

[one love]

Rahab wrote:

I'm going with 3 days, Wednesday, April 9. What do I win if I am correct?????

I've got a dusty copy of Upon This Rock, Vol. 1 that's up for grabs!

[Susie Hamilton]

Rahab wrote:

I'm going with 3 days, Wednesday, April 9. What do I win if I am correct?????

I've got a dusty copy of Upon This Rock, Vol. 1 that's up for grabs!

I already have one, thanks.

[Full Quiver]

Rambo, it seems that over and over you have said that gambling is more than what one love is saying. Sure, gambling can be more than the lottery, casinos, etc but those things are gambling would you not agree?