a statement

[dbserv]

I want to place this here as to not hijack the other thread even more

dbserv wrote:
Rahab wrote:
I just talked with my Mom, a retired COGOP pastor, and told her about winning the money. She congratulated me and was happy for me.




Yeah, but in the eyes of some, any COGOP pastor, retired or not, is a sinner because they did not keep "walking in the light" and leave for one (or other) of the various TCOG (or now ZACOG) branches.


The "word" is that once they chose to stay, they would allow any type of sin to be in and lead their churches. So ...........................................

WHAT???????????? are you talking about........this is so false you feel i think cogop are sinners because they are not tcog, this is insulting friend.

I dont care how you believe i love ya but it is the other way around here it is many that care how we believe an we are insulted for it. I have seen no insults made to cogop since i have been here but i am slammed many times over and statements like this does not help.

Yes i feel these are wrong and much of your teachings say the same

alcohol, gambling, divorce/remmariage, smoking, chewing tobacco, cussing and SLANDER

The same old TCOG slams are getting very old and tiring because we believe like the cogop used to , I can fellowship with all of you without insulting why is it that does not go both ways? I am Judged all the time and called

a thief, a liar, legalistic, a cult and many see nothing wrong with that but if you say it is wrong to drink there is an uproar, this is backwards.
I dont mean this post to you alone but i am simply over the slams and fasle assumptions of who we are and what we represent. I have not showed that attitude here, I have loved everyone and tried to be very loving and respectful even when insulted very strongly i usually dont respond with the same attitude. I have sent support to some good people here that are in cogop some in ranks, I keep that to myself but dont catorgorize us it is wrong. If I catagorize you all for the faults of cogop all the time you would be highly offended and Dr Ron knows this statement is not false. I love you all but this has got to stop if not I will go, it has been so good here and i post here more then anywhere becasue i enjoy it but somethings get old especially the whole thievery, cultic attitude.
If i posted in the same manner every couple days you would all be very offended and upset and i would most likely be removed. Am I not a Brother?
I love ya God bless

Matter of fact i will preaching at a cogop soon......

Easy, my BROTHER.

I did NOT say your name or even insinuate that you believed this.

Please refer to my post and see that I said "in the eyes of some". I did NOT say "ALL" folks from TCOG, ZACOG, TOGNC, etc. believed this.


BUT, whether you want to admit it, or not, there are "SOME" who DO believe this and are very vocal about it. Not all members of the various ex-COGOP branches are on here, so not all of their beliefs and opinions are represented here.


I am sorry that I hit a nerve, but I stand by what I said and DO believe it to be true - because of the writings I have read and the conversations that I, and family members, have had with folks from the various branches.


I am NOT COGOP and I know many of the COGOP faults and dirty laundry issues as well. I learned way more about the "church" while attending TC than was taught in the classrooms.


If you've really been following my posts since joining our community, then you know that I have not hesitated to express my views about COGOP's issues.

[Jennifer Smith]

We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time.

hee hee, Dr. Ron said, "panties in a wad!"

My wife hates it when that happens to me. Whenever that happens, she finds out I'm wearing her "panties" again and it takes her considerable time to unwad them before she can use them.

Shocking! (ly funny.. )



onelove, you don't have to allow Gerald or anyone else to bait you into arguments over your church affliliation or what you believe. I say this with respect for both of you.

Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

[RamboPreacher]

...Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

I agree, except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

[one love]

...Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

I agree, except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

being called a liar and a thieve over and over is ok to you friend?

[RamboPreacher]

...Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

I agree, except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

being called a liar and a thieve over and over is ok to you friend?

not sure how you got that out of my reply, but no, unless you personally are a liar and a thief. my agreement was with Jennifer and her statements to GC. wow, i am really not sure at all what drew you to that conclusion at all. My prayers are happening for you, my brother in Christ.

[one love]

...Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

I agree, except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

ok sorry rambo but could you explain this a little better

[soulsearcher]

My brother.

I have felt the same as you in times past. I have been castigated as one who "cut and ran". I understand your issues.

HOwever, these folks here would die for your right to be heard and have a "freewheeling " conversation with other.

YOu certainly know by now that not everyone on here is COGOP. Many times we have had people who joined this little group who were not only not COGOP but were anything but christians.

Hang in...Gerald is not a bad dude. He is a "thinker" and provokes us all to think. I have been known to disagree with him only to find that on some other subject that I thought he would come at me with, he agreed with me.
I have agreed with him on things only to have him come at me on other things.

We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time. Just hang in and don't be offended. You know what you believe and why. That will take care of its self.

Especially this part: We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time. I hate it when that happens.

[RamboPreacher]

...Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

I agree, except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

ok sorry rambo but could you explain this a little better

I was agreeing that GC sometimes has a confrontational tone, and that he sometimes fails to acknowledge that there are some TCOG (and others, including WOF) members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

does that help?

[one love]

...Gerald, if you have been enlightened that is wonderful... but perhaps, you should examine whether your past experiences have left you prejudiced in a different way. You may be trying to help, but often your tone is so confrontational, and you fail to acknowledge that there are some TCOG members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

I agree, except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

ok sorry rambo but could you explain this a little better

I was agreeing that GC sometimes has a confrontational tone, and that he sometimes fails to acknowledge that there are some TCOG (and others, including WOF) members who are sincere in their pursuit of God and holiness.

does that help?

very much thank you and i apologize i misread what you said,,, thanks

[RamboPreacher]

...very much thank you and i apologize i misread what you said,,, thanks

you are welcome. I am guessing that misunderstanding of my posts is happening elsewhere as well.

[soulsearcher]

except in the case (no one in particular here, just in general) where those folks' personal pursuits of God and holiness are in the guise of a yoke that others can not or should not have to bare.

I think this was his (Rambo's) MAIN point, and one well taken.