addictive sin?

[Sherry]

i feel the one would need help now there is a difference from being "physically depedent" and an "addict" if one is truly addicted they show signs of going to multiple doctors, run out of medicne days instead of months will steal and then yes they are in sin.Not to mention they would have to lie to keep up there habut, that alone is sinful.
There are many medicines one would need to ween off of but they are not and show no signs of being an addict, that is the difference that i conclude with those i know that have to take it all the time. Some can take there medicine as prescribed with no problems but would need to ween off them. I will not critisize one from taking medication eitther i have had to.

I understand what an addict is and I understand what physical dependency is.

[RamboPreacher]

why would drunkardness be a sin but being high not be if it were legal????

being drunk and being a drunkard are two different things.

[Full Quiver]

drunkard as defined in the Hebrew and the Greek is one who gets tipsy so yes a one time drunk is a one time drunkard

[one love]

i feel the one would need help now there is a difference from being "physically depedent" and an "addict" if one is truly addicted they show signs of going to multiple doctors, run out of medicne days instead of months will steal and then yes they are in sin.Not to mention they would have to lie to keep up there habut, that alone is sinful.
There are many medicines one would need to ween off of but they are not and show no signs of being an addict, that is the difference that i conclude with those i know that have to take it all the time. Some can take there medicine as prescribed with no problems but would need to ween off them. I will not critisize one from taking medication eitther i have had to.

I understand what an addict is and I understand what physical dependency is.

got ya so are you in agreement in a sense?

I am sorry for anyone you knwo that suffers from sever chronic pain I fully understand, any that i know that does i try my best to help because i understand. I was told 3-4 years ago to quit work and go on disability. I was told when my first son was born to not get up in the night that my wife would need to do that. Never lift over 15 lbs for ever and that i will get worse,
however i serve a migthy God that i told the doctors i cant quit work i have to many dreams for my family and church. I have never quit and the Lord blessed me to start a buisness with my Dad ( i had another one years ago then i got so bad off i closed it and did sales and management)
We are doing good and y wife was able to quit working at the law firm she was at to be home with the kids. I got up through the night with my first baby and I still do many things i am not supposed to. But I do have the ability t go home sometimes if I am hurting really bad and run many aspects of the buisness from home. I am also able t go to conventions and preach revivals. SO i thank God, i suffer daily and it is not easy it is HARD but i am determined, I know the lord can heal this and I will do my best with his help.
SOme give up but I just cant, but it is not easy. If you knwo anyone who suffers from chronic pain that is real pray for them and be there the best you can.
I have surpassed what i am supossed t0 able to do.
sorry for carrying on....may the Lord bless

[Paully_44]

How about food? It can be addictive...It is something that you must have to sustain life...The Bible talks about gluttony but I know a lot of "fat" preachers who are struggling to breath while they preach and then go out to eat afterwards and pack on more pounds.

Uh oh, now you've touched on a subject that involves church potlucks, and we all know how sacred those are.

[RamboPreacher]

drunkard as defined in the Hebrew and the Greek is one who gets tipsy so yes a one time drunk is a one time drunkard

you are incorrect. and you do not want to go to original languages with me, my friend. If you really do, then please begin with which of the 5 Hebrew roots of the English translated word do you want to begin; or the 4 Koine Greek roots of the English translated word would you like to begin? maybe start with the nouns or the verbs; perhaps the accusative, adjective as one of the forms in the Greek? The heart of the NT Greek phraseology is the word (transliterated) - paroinos - sometimes translated as wine-bibber, and a very precise meaning that is NOT have connotation or context of meaning tipsy only once, it is however translated as addicted to wine, drunken, of one who tends to be quarrelsome as he habitually drinks too much; substantivally drunkard - a short lexical thesauretic phrase would be - one given to drunkenness. sound familiar to what i have been saying about the so called "gambling" definition? it should.

[Sherry]

i feel the one would need help now there is a difference from being "physically depedent" and an "addict" if one is truly addicted they show signs of going to multiple doctors, run out of medicne days instead of months will steal and then yes they are in sin.Not to mention they would have to lie to keep up there habut, that alone is sinful.
There are many medicines one would need to ween off of but they are not and show no signs of being an addict, that is the difference that i conclude with those i know that have to take it all the time. Some can take there medicine as prescribed with no problems but would need to ween off them. I will not critisize one from taking medication eitther i have had to.

I understand what an addict is and I understand what physical dependency is.

got ya so are you in agreement in a sense?

I am sorry for anyone you knwo that suffers from sever chronic pain I fully understand, any that i know that does i try my best to help because i understand. I was told 3-4 years ago to quit work and go on disability. I was told when my first son was born to not get up in the night that my wife would need to do that. Never lift over 15 lbs for ever and that i will get worse,
however i serve a migthy God that i told the doctors i cant quit work i have to many dreams for my family and church. I have never quit and the Lord blessed me to start a buisness with my Dad ( i had another one years ago then i got so bad off i closed it and did sales and management)
We are doing good and y wife was able to quit working at the law firm she was at to be home with the kids. I got up through the night with my first baby and I still do many things i am not supposed to. But I do have the ability t go home sometimes if I am hurting really bad and run many aspects of the buisness from home. I am also able t go to conventions and preach revivals. SO i thank God, i suffer daily and it is not easy it is HARD but i am determined, I know the lord can heal this and I will do my best with his help.
SOme give up but I just cant, but it is not easy. If you knwo anyone who suffers from chronic pain that is real pray for them and be there the best you can.
I have surpassed what i am supossed t0 able to do.
sorry for carrying on....may the Lord bless

I stated what I did because you seemed to feel it neccessary to give me definitions. I just wanted you to know I understood the difference.

I'm sorry you live with pain. I went several years with chronic pain, thankfully I am living with very little to no pain now. I understand that it's a rough road to travel and I hope the road gets easier for you. But I believe no one can judge another as to what someone else is going through.

[Full Quiver]

you are incorrect. and you do not want to go to original languages with me, my friend. If you really do, then please begin with which of the 5 Hebrew roots of the English translated word do you want to begin; or the 4 Koine Greek roots of the English translated word would you like to begin? maybe start with the nouns or the verbs; perhaps the accusative, adjective as one of the forms in the Greek? The heart of the NT Greek phraseology is the word (transliterated) - paroinos - sometimes translated as wine-bibber, and a very precise meaning that is NOT have connotation or context of meaning tipsy only once, it is however translated as addicted to wine, drunken, of one who tends to be quarrelsome as he habitually drinks too much; substantivally drunkard - a short lexical thesauretic phrase would be - one given to drunkenness. sound familiar to what i have been saying about the so called "gambling" definition? it should.
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allow me to bow in your internet presence oh wise one, full of knowledge, and impossible to be incorrect when it comes to such a subject


caba' = a primitive root; to quaff to satiety, i.e. become tipsy:--drunkard, fill self, Sabean, (wine-)bibber.

methusos = from 3184; tipsy, i.e. (as noun) a sot:--drunkard.


Eph 5:18 And be not drunk (intoxicated) with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

This would include not even once Brent. So there goes your drunkard does not mean drunk theory. 1 times is a sin my friend.

[RamboPreacher]

you are incorrect. and you do not want to go to original languages with me, my friend. If you really do, then please begin with which of the 5 Hebrew roots of the English translated word do you want to begin; or the 4 Koine Greek roots of the English translated word would you like to begin? maybe start with the nouns or the verbs; perhaps the accusative, adjective as one of the forms in the Greek? The heart of the NT Greek phraseology is the word (transliterated) - paroinos - sometimes translated as wine-bibber, and a very precise meaning that is NOT have connotation or context of meaning tipsy only once, it is however translated as addicted to wine, drunken, of one who tends to be quarrelsome as he habitually drinks too much; substantivally drunkard - a short lexical thesauretic phrase would be - one given to drunkenness. sound familiar to what i have been saying about the so called "gambling" definition? it should.
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allow me to bow in your internet presence oh wise one, full of knowledge, and impossible to be incorrect when it comes to such a subject


caba' = a primitive root; to quaff to satiety, i.e. become tipsy:--drunkard, fill self, Sabean, (wine-)bibber.

methusos = from 3184; tipsy, i.e. (as noun) a sot:--drunkard.


Eph 5:18 And be not drunk (intoxicated) with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

This would include not even once Brent. So there goes your drunkard does not mean drunk theory. 1 times is a sin my friend.

thank you for making my point.

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

first you take a single scripture a pluck it out of context , and then you say that it is saying that drinking wine one time, and getting drunk is a sin.

Where in this one reference is being a drunkard mentioned? and please tell me where it says that it is a sin to drink wine to get drunk one time? it says that (in this case, and in this context), it is reckless (asotia, transliterated, and translated as "dissipation" in this version), but it does NOT say that it is a sin for EVERYONE. so there goes your drink once to get drunk equates to sin for everyone theory.

[valley]

What if you drink a glass of wine or whatever and never get drunk, would that be a sin?

[one love]

drunkard as defined in the Hebrew and the Greek is one who gets tipsy so yes a one time drunk is a one time drunkard

you are incorrect. and you do not want to go to original languages with me, my friend. If you really do, then please begin with which of the 5 Hebrew roots of the English translated word do you want to begin; or the 4 Koine Greek roots of the English translated word would you like to begin? maybe start with the nouns or the verbs; perhaps the accusative, adjective as one of the forms in the Greek? The heart of the NT Greek phraseology is the word (transliterated) - paroinos - sometimes translated as wine-bibber, and a very precise meaning that is NOT have connotation or context of meaning tipsy only once, it is however translated as addicted to wine, drunken, of one who tends to be quarrelsome as he habitually drinks too much; substantivally drunkard - a short lexical thesauretic phrase would be - one given to drunkenness. sound familiar to what i have been saying about the so called "gambling" definition? it should.

Come on...even psycologist disagree with your statement.... now it is not only moderation being drunk here and there is ok???? where does it stop?

[TW]

Come on...even psycologist disagree with your statement.... now it is not only moderation being drunk here and there is ok???? where does it stop?

What? Your statement has totally eluded me. Could you expound upon,".... now it is not only moderation being drunk here and there is ok???? where does it stop?"


TW

[one love]

Come on...even psycologist disagree with your statement.... now it is not only moderation being drunk here and there is ok???? where does it stop?

What? Your statement has totally eluded me. Could you expound upon,".... now it is not only moderation being drunk here and there is ok???? where does it stop?"


TW

ok, not only drinking in moderation is ok now it is ok to be drunk as long as you are not defined as a "drunkard" or "alcoholic" is what im getting from the above discussion which i was reading. Psycologist say one who drinks to get drunk is a drunkard/alcoholic not that i agree totally with that but that is what was taught in college. Im amazed how much and how far things can change from total abstinence from alcohol to moderation to being drunk is ok.........
To be honest people are losing site of what holiness is, im ready to be stoned but it is the truth

[scooter]

is heroin, cocaine and other narcotic drugs a sin? PLease explain your answer.

Response: I would say that they are sin with or witout the law, for me with a couple of exceptions. I think it has to do more with addictive behavior, the abuse of the body, and the loss of or altering of control.

If I were in America or the Netherlands I would breach my own morals, established by God given conviction, by smoking dope and there by sin.

My exception would be for instance, my friend was given a "drug" to combat his terrible back pain. I know on the street that people would basically do anything to get that drug for the high. To me it is the abuse of such substances and the addictive attributes which contitute "sin".

[ichthus]

you are incorrect. and you do not want to go to original languages with me, my friend. If you really do, then please begin with which of the 5 Hebrew roots of the English translated word do you want to begin; or the 4 Koine Greek roots of the English translated word would you like to begin? maybe start with the nouns or the verbs; perhaps the accusative, adjective as one of the forms in the Greek? The heart of the NT Greek phraseology is the word (transliterated) - paroinos - sometimes translated as wine-bibber, and a very precise meaning that is NOT have connotation or context of meaning tipsy only once, it is however translated as addicted to wine, drunken, of one who tends to be quarrelsome as he habitually drinks too much; substantivally drunkard - a short lexical thesauretic phrase would be - one given to drunkenness. sound familiar to what i have been saying about the so called "gambling" definition? it should.
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allow me to bow in your internet presence oh wise one, full of knowledge, and impossible to be incorrect when it comes to such a subject


caba' = a primitive root; to quaff to satiety, i.e. become tipsy:--drunkard, fill self, Sabean, (wine-)bibber.

methusos = from 3184; tipsy, i.e. (as noun) a sot:--drunkard.


Eph 5:18 And be not drunk (intoxicated) with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

This would include not even once Brent. So there goes your drunkard does not mean drunk theory. 1 times is a sin my friend.

thank you for making my point.

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

first you take a single scripture a pluck it out of context , and then you say that it is saying that drinking wine one time, and getting drunk is a sin.

Where in this one reference is being a drunkard mentioned? and please tell me where it says that it is a sin to drink wine to get drunk one time? it says that (in this case, and in this context), it is reckless (asotia, transliterated, and translated as "dissipation" in this version), but it does NOT say that it is a sin for EVERYONE. so there goes your drink once to get drunk equates to sin for everyone theory.

Are you saying getting drunk is not a sin for some people? Now I've heard it all!!