The Wright Controversy: An unasked question

[Gerald Creasy]

Most every one has seen clips of the racist pastor of Obama, the man he named as mentor.

One of the excuses I heard is "well people just are unfamiliar with what goes on in black churches"

So the question I have is: If this ideology is "what goes on' in African American congrgations (as the defense maintains), how much does it go on in COGOP churches???

[Penny]

So the question I have is: If this ideology is "what goes on' in African American congrgations (as the defense maintains), how much does it go on in COGOP churches???

My question is- Why do we have A white church, black church and so on. Why can't we all come into the Lord house and worship him as one body?

I have never understood this.

[Gerald Creasy]

My question is- Why do we have A white church, black church and so on. Why can't we all come into the Lord house and worship him as one body?

I have never understood this.

I don't know other than even as late as the 1990s Kentucky was still appointing folks for "black work"


I like it like my local is, a mixture.

[pastorables]

I like it like my local is, a mixture.

Same here. The church I attend is around 50/50 blended congregation.

I'm not sure that I understand the excuse about "what goes on in black churches"? In what relationship is this remark intended?

pa

[Gerald Creasy]

I'm not sure that I understand the excuse about "what goes on in black churches"? In what relationship is this remark intended?

pa

I believe the remark was meant as "This stuff is so common in black churches, whites are upset because they're just not used to hearing it."

Of course I could be wrong.


One of the motivations I had for asking the question is in relation to an event that occured AT MY EXPENSE (which I would call prejudiced) at the hands of an African American attending BTI.

Does this type of preaching occur in COGOP African American churches?

If I go my my personal experience I would say something fostered the reverse racism I experienced.

[soulsearcher]

Okay, Shellie, I'm going to have to borrow your can-opener a minute

Please note: This is my PERSONAL perspective from PERSONAL experiences and observation.

I grew up in the segregated South of the 50's and 60's hearing cry after cry of "equality...equality...equality." Martin Luther King's, "I have a dream," rang true and year by year I could feel (a good feeling) that the dream was becoming a reality. In the 1970's and early 80's I genuinely sensed a coming together and respect between whites and blacks, with equality becoming more and more evident.

But somewhere around the mid to late 80's I noticed suttle little things like, "The Black Entertainment Network," "Miss Black America," etc., and (ultimate to me) the message that blacks somehow had "rightful ownership" of gospel music and artistic expression of such. Where, when, and by whom was that written and put into stone?

Think about it. Most every major network television broadcast that includes or features big musical numbers (Academy Awards, Grammys, American Idol, and any number of "Specials") will, at some point, feature a BLACK choir singing back-up.

Why? Because gospel music is culturally associated and accepted - if performed by blacks.

My point in connection with the topic of this thread? Those who cry for "equality" often want it both ways, wanting all the rights and privileges while maintaining a seperate and exclusive identity.

[Shellie]

soulsearcher wrote:

Okay, Shellie, I'm going to have to borrow your can-opener a minute

No problem. I've got band-aids if you cut yourself on it. I keep them handy for that very purpose.

[Pastor Gary]

I know that there are some non-white people who regularly read (lurk) on Jude2, because (a) I have met a few and, (b) I have had others say "________ told me they appreciated what you wrote on Jude2."

May I just ask a favor? If you are a lurker on Jude2 who is other than caucasian --black/African-American/Hispanic/Asian/whatever -- would you be willing to pop out of lurkerdom and identify your racial/ethnic identity?

Sometimes we seem to get a very narrow perspective on message boards.

[Jennifer Smith]

I wish that I understood the purpose of this question (original post question)..

I feel that whenever a topic concerning race is brought up on Jude there is an awkward uncomfortable us vs. them feeling in the tone of the conversation rather than barriers broken down to promote love and fellowship. But that's just my thoughts/ feelings!

[Gerald Creasy]

I wish that I understood the purpose of this question (original post question)..

I feel that whenever a topic concerning race is brought up on Jude there is an awkward uncomfortable us vs. them feeling in the tone of the conversation rather than barriers broken down to promote love and fellowship. But that's just my thoughts/ feelings!

Perhaps you need to reread the question: The purpose has been stated and restated (and it looks like I'll have to restate it again:

1) Obamas pastor promulgated reverse racism of a fanatical level
2) The excuse was made "Whites are just not familiar with "what goes on" in "black churches"
3) If the excuse is true, does this then go on in COGOP "black churches"??

I defy anyone no matter what your title to say that my simple asking the question is narrow minded or racist in and of itself. You are wrong.

I am not afraid to ask questions no matter who is holding the "Holy Ghost Machine gun"

[Pastor Bill]

In the CoGoP, we have churches that are predominately white, others that are predominately another race, and others that are mixed. We have worshipped together at State functions, IA, etc. I don't have a problem with any of these (although at times I wish we weren't as segregated as we are in some places, but I don't think it's due to racisim as much as demographics of the areas.

Personally I do not feel racist statements are typical of any GOOD church, but I especially don't think I'd see it coming from the pastors that I know in the CoGoP.