Proxy System Mechanics

[Mat]

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[RamboPreacher]

I can't see how this is more complicated, that's my opinion. it seems more structured, more fair, and more available to the entire church/COGOP. I agree that change may be "difficult" for some, but I personally can't see how a (semi-automated) proxy system is more "complicated".

I will leave off commenting about the content of what is being presented that the proxy-system is using, that is for another thread or few, and I believe they are in the Doctrine forum. What I will say is that these non-doctrinal documents and recommendations are a great place to start this system that in all actuality, as I understand, was supposed to have started last GA!

"4 years later" it's about time. (in my opinion) the proxy system was approved using a non-proxy system and only attendee's had expression and voice, like it or not, it's what happened. The time to discuss whether or not to use a proxy system is long since gone. this is what we have now.
mi dos centavos

[Mat]

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[RamboPreacher]

he's in Seoul right now, please leave a message after the beep. hehehehehehhee. I can't find it right now, but there is a picture of GO, Bishop Howard with a Jude2 pin. I thought it was great!

[Pastor Gary]

You have expressed your personal opinion concerning some of these assembly reports here on Jude 2. Has your opinion, or the opinion of others, such as myself, resulted in a backlash for you counterparts?

None.

Jude2 predates my appointment as Overseer, so they knew what they were getting when they gave me the job.

It would seem that over at Doyle's forum he does encounter some "official" opposition. To me that you allow great leeway in these discussions and I know, for better or for worse, some in Cleveland have read what I have said. However, they have been very nice about it, kind of like how you would treat someone a "little touched in the head" if you know what I mean. Sometimes I wonder about people’s reaction to you due to your forum. Then again, its a good practice to be nice to a man that has his own internet forum.

Apparently COG is more political and controlling than COGOP. I have had a few times when someone would email or call about a topic, but NEVER officially and never to get me to remove anything, other than the recent Virginia posts.

I think -- just my opinion -- that some folks at the IO enjoy having Jude2 around as an unaffiliated, disconnected source of info.

[Pastor Bill]

I do not think this is the best system, and I do see potential problems with it, as well as it being more complicated, but I DO see it as a step in the right direction. For those that thing this was a rushed thing to do, remember it's been in the works for 6 years (actually probably longer, it was approved at Assembly 6 years ago)

Will this system stay? probably not in it's current form. Changes will be made, things will be simplified hopefully, but we're also seeing some changes underneath the surface of these things. I believe we are about to starting to see more regional control, with regions making decisions for their region and not having to bring everything to the IA. I think people are starting to recognize what works in the southern US is not always what works best half way around the world.

This system isn't perfect, but it is an improvement over the past, and maybe a step towards something better in the future.

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The "highest" level of organization is the national convention (usually called the "Convention") made up of individual churches, associations, and state conventions, which meets annually in early June. The following quotation from the SBC Constitution explains the membership and description of "messengers" to each annual meeting:

Article III. Membership: The Convention shall consist of messengers who are members of missionary Baptist churches cooperating with the Convention as follows:

One messenger from each church which: (1) Is in friendly cooperation with the Convention and sympathetic with its purposes and work. Among churches not in cooperation with the Convention are churches which act to affirm, approve, or endorse homosexual behavior. And, (2) Has been a bona fide contributor to the Convention's work during the fiscal year preceding.

One additional messenger from each such church for every two hundred and fifty members; or for each $250.00 paid to the work of the Convention during the fiscal year preceding the annual meeting.
The messengers shall be appointed and certified by the churches to the Convention, but no church may appoint more than ten.
Each messenger shall be a member of the church by which he is appointed.

Article IV. Authority: While independent and sovereign in its own sphere, the Convention does not claim and will never attempt to exercise any authority over any other Baptist body, whether church, auxiliary organizations, associations, or convention.

– SBC Constitution[45]