what about sin?

[dawgs10]

Is there one sin that you see as worse than another? I would like to know your opinion. after reading the threads about the women and pastor sluging it out it seems to me that some feel that one wrong action might not be as bad as another. when a certian pastor tried to make the point that the woman might have been just as wrong as the pastor he was destroyed by some on this forum that seems to think its not as bad for a woman to hit a man than a man hitting a woman. so i ask the question, is one sin worse than another? yes or no. first you must answer yes or no before you defend your indefensable postions. I hope that those that spent so much time trying to tear down pastors postion will be active in this thread!!!!

[RamboPreacher]

In my opinion, all sin at some level, separates you from God. whether that be driving 5 miles over the speed limit (breaking the law), parking in a handicap space without proper tag, lying, stealing, adultery, or putting the smak-down on someone in anger and loss of self-control. the challenge, is that this is the "Spiritual" side. I believe that sin has a dichotomy of ramifications.

Spiritual, leading to (spiritual death) separation from God, as mentioned, and physical/practical ramifications. the physical/practical ramifications, in my opinion, are where there are degrees of severity that is usually the discussed issue.

[scooter]

Is there one sin that you see as worse than another? I would like to know your opinion. after reading the threads about the women and pastor sluging it out it seems to me that some feel that one wrong action might not be as bad as another. when a certian pastor tried to make the point that the woman might have been just as wrong as the pastor he was destroyed by some on this forum that seems to think its not as bad for a woman to hit a man than a man hitting a woman. so i ask the question, is one sin worse than another? yes or no. first you must answer yes or no before you defend your indefensable postions. I hope that those that spent so much time trying to tear down pastors postion will be active in this thread!!!!

Response: I think this is a goofy post. I think it makes goofy assumptions and says things nobody said.

No one said it was not wrong for the woman to hit the pastor.

No one tried to tear down a Godly pastor.

This is just all goofy stuff.

Is it sin for me to say so?

[Shellie]

dawgs wrote:

when a certian pastor tried to make the point that the woman might have been just as wrong as the pastor he was destroyed by some on this forum

First of all, your VEILED post isn't quite so veiled. If you wanted to ask the question you could have left out the part about him being "destroyed".

If you wanted to share your opinon that a pastor was "destroyed" by some on this forum, there was no need for the question.

Now, that that is out of the way. Your pastor friend was not called on the carpet for making the point that the woman was just as wrong. I agree that she WAS. He was called on the carpet for saying that a woman "needed" to be smacked upside the head and that Jesus would probably have horse whipped her.

If you are defending that some woman just NEED to be smacked upside the head, go ahead, but don't act like "a pastor was destroyed simply for saying she was just as wrong".

The fact that you have even stated that strong rebuttal "destroyed" a pastor is overdramatic, ridiculous, and childish.

[Billy n NC]

What about It


Sin is BAD... always.

[dawgs10]

Is there one sin that you see as worse than another? I would like to know your opinion. after reading the threads about the women and pastor sluging it out it seems to me that some feel that one wrong action might not be as bad as another. when a certian pastor tried to make the point that the woman might have been just as wrong as the pastor he was destroyed by some on this forum that seems to think its not as bad for a woman to hit a man than a man hitting a woman. so i ask the question, is one sin worse than another? yes or no. first you must answer yes or no before you defend your indefensable postions. I hope that those that spent so much time trying to tear down pastors postion will be active in this thread!!!!

Response: I think this is a goofy post. I think it makes goofy assumptions and says things nobody said.
No one said it was not wrong for the woman to hit the pastor.

No one tried to tear down a Godly pastor.

This is just all goofy stuff.

Is it sin for me to say so?

yes or no!! and i think you need to go back and read the posts.

[dawgs10]

dawgs wrote:

when a certian pastor tried to make the point that the woman might have been just as wrong as the pastor he was destroyed by some on this forum

First of all, your VEILED post isn't quite so veiled. If you wanted to ask the question you could have left out the part about him being "destroyed".

If you wanted to share your opinon that a pastor was "destroyed" by some on this forum, there was no need for the question.

Now, that that is out of the way. Your pastor friend was not called on the carpet for making the point that the woman was just as wrong. I agree that she WAS. He was called on the carpet for saying that a woman "needed" to be smacked upside the head and that Jesus would probably have horse whipped her.

If you are defending that some woman just NEED to be smacked upside the head, go ahead, but don't act like "a pastor was destroyed simply for saying she was just as wrong".

The fact that you have even stated that strong rebuttal "destroyed" a pastor is overdramatic, ridiculous, and childish.

yes or no

[dawgs10]

dawgs wrote:

when a certian pastor tried to make the point that the woman might have been just as wrong as the pastor he was destroyed by some on this forum

First of all, your VEILED post isn't quite so veiled. If you wanted to ask the question you could have left out the part about him being "destroyed".

If you wanted to share your opinon that a pastor was "destroyed" by some on this forum, there was no need for the question.

Now, that that is out of the way. Your pastor friend was not called on the carpet for making the point that the woman was just as wrong. I agree that she WAS. He was called on the carpet for saying that a woman "needed" to be smacked upside the head and that Jesus would probably have horse whipped her.

If you are defending that some woman just NEED to be smacked upside the head, go ahead, but don't act like "a pastor was destroyed simply for saying she was just as wrong".

The fact that you have even stated that strong rebuttal "destroyed" a pastor is overdramatic, ridiculous, and childish.

also, a site admin should be beyond calling someone names. in my opinion you are the overdramatic one. you never said yes or no. is it just as much a sin for a women to hit a man than a man hitting a women?

[Shellie]

dawgs said:

also, a site admin should be beyond calling someone names.

Ahh!! I think we may be getting somewhere. So, you are saying that someone in a "position" should be careful about what they say and the words they use?

PASTOR Daniel said:

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

You're right, Brother. I agree with you. We ALL should watch the words we say. Thank you for making my point for me.

[Alan]

Sin is sin, they're all bad.

Shellie,

There are a lot of people that sometimes seem to need a smack upside the head, and I'm sure you and I and everyone else on this board falls into that category. The thing is there is no justification for it, at least not by us. If you read what PastorDaniel said he never said it was right for the pastor to hit her. There is only one man who has ever walked this earth who has had the justification to "horse whip" anybody and he did it.

Am I jumping to PastorDaniel's defense because he's a friend? No, as far as I know we've never met. I'm coming to his defense because I see several on here who have jumped on him because of a statement that I believe you misunderstood. When I read the posts that were made by more than one person in that thread, I don't feel love and correction, I feel hate and anger. That deeply concerns me, Jesus said we'd be known by our love for one another, where is that love? I'm not saying that it's wrong to try to get clarification, I'm just saying the way it was done was wrong.

Was hate and anger meant in the replies that were made? I hope not, but that's one of the problems with message boards like this, you can't read the expressions of the other person or hear the voice tone to tell. If you could, this whole mess probably could have been avoided.

[scooter]

Sin is sin, they're all bad.

Shellie,

There are a lot of people that sometimes seem to need a smack upside the head, and I'm sure you and I and everyone else on this board falls into that category. The thing is there is no justification for it, at least not by us. If you read what PastorDaniel said he never said it was right for the pastor to hit her. There is only one man who has ever walked this earth who has had the justification to "horse whip" anybody and he did it.

Am I jumping to PastorDaniel's defense because he's a friend? No, as far as I know we've never met. I'm coming to his defense because I see several on here who have jumped on him because of a statement that I believe you misunderstood. When I read the posts that were made by more than one person in that thread, I don't feel love and correction, I feel hate and anger. That deeply concerns me, Jesus said we'd be known by our love for one another, where is that love? I'm not saying that it's wrong to try to get clarification, I'm just saying the way it was done was wrong.

Was hate and anger meant in the replies that were made? I hope not, but that's one of the problems with message boards like this, you can't read the expressions of the other person or hear the voice tone to tell. If you could, this whole mess probably could have been avoided.

Response: As a preacher I made the same mistake that Pastor Daniel did. A few years ago when speaking about Job's wife I said something along the same line, "She needed to be smacked". I was wrong for saying it. Before we left the building I had realized my error and apologized and removed the entire sermon from circulation. I was wrong.

I think it is ridiculous that anyone would say there was hate or anger associated with calling what he said inappropriate.

NO ONE MISUNDERSTOOD HIS COMMENTS.

NO ONE TOOK THEM OUT OF CONTEXT.

NO ONE THINK HE GOES AROUND ADVOCATING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.

MANY THINK HE NEEDED TO CHOOSE HIS WORDS MORE WISELY.

It's like telling a joke about african Americans and saying "But I have a lot of black friends", whether you know he didn't mean it or not.

JMO!

[one love]

Dawgs,

sin is sin no greater in my opinion. HIm hitting her and her hitting where no worse in the eyes of God, I stated that in my post. I also stated that him hitting her is worse to ME in my eyes. Hitting a woman is disgraceful and I also said that if a man cant take a slap and walk away without punching a woman he is not a man. I stand behind that.

I have been tore to pieces and spit out here many times, but I never saw something so bad that should have him so upset i think clarification is all that was needed. I dont think bad of Pastor Daniel at all and dont feel he supports hitting woman, i think he was quick to speak and should have just clarified what he was saying. It is a touchy topic for most people and him as well so I dont feel he should stop posting just come back.
Love goes both ways as well dont forget that. Again I had nobody come to my defense but im still here, I recieved a lot of Pm's.

Pastor Daniel I love ya Brother I feel this is a misunderstanding and dont want to see you stop posting or hurt. I think shellie's post is being misunderstood as well bombing her is not right etiher.
so if everyone has love we all must be able to come to the table and work at it. If I said anything that hurt you forgive me i sure did not mean to. I did take your post the same as others it was just how it sounded, I would just come back and clarify, you seemed pretty angry in your last two post so I didnt want to say to much

May the Lord bless you.

[one love]

Sin is sin, they're all bad.

Shellie,

There are a lot of people that sometimes seem to need a smack upside the head, and I'm sure you and I and everyone else on this board falls into that category. The thing is there is no justification for it, at least not by us. If you read what PastorDaniel said he never said it was right for the pastor to hit her. There is only one man who has ever walked this earth who has had the justification to "horse whip" anybody and he did it.

Am I jumping to PastorDaniel's defense because he's a friend? No, as far as I know we've never met. I'm coming to his defense because I see several on here who have jumped on him because of a statement that I believe you misunderstood. When I read the posts that were made by more than one person in that thread, I don't feel love and correction, I feel hate and anger. That deeply concerns me, Jesus said we'd be known by our love for one another, where is that love? I'm not saying that it's wrong to try to get clarification, I'm just saying the way it was done was wrong.

Was hate and anger meant in the replies that were made? I hope not, but that's one of the problems with message boards like this, you can't read the expressions of the other person or hear the voice tone to tell. If you could, this whole mess probably could have been avoided.

Response: As a preacher I made the same mistake that Pastor Daniel did. A few years ago when speaking about Job's wife I said something along the same line, "She needed to be smacked". I was wrong for saying it. Before we left the building I had realized my error and apologized and removed the entire sermon from circulation. I was wrong.

I think it is ridiculous that anyone would say there was hate or anger associated with calling what he said inappropriate.

NO ONE MISUNDERSTOOD HIS COMMENTS.

NO ONE TOOK THEM OUT OF CONTEXT.

NO ONE THINK HE GOES AROUND ADVOCATING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.

MANY THINK HE NEEDED TO CHOOSE HIS WORDS MORE WISELY.

It's like telling a joke about african Americans and saying "But I have a lot of black friends", whether you know he didn't mean it or not.

JMO!

Very good, I also cant stand when people do that... or they start with "im not racist but...." it angers me, ok sorry for the hijack

[PastorDaniel]

I'd like to say that the minute I saw this that I asked Dawgs to remove it. He did have my name in the post and at least removed that...but it's still obviouse that he's referring to me.

I still think this all a silly issue that was taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

When you're among friends you tend to be LESS careful about what you say. I guess I found out that I'm not among friends and need to guard myself better, watch what I say and turn this into a professional relationship.

We were talking about a stupid video on youtube! None of us know this woman or this preacher....it was all hypothetical talk and I thought it was in good fun and fun debate.

I say alot of stupid stuff, silly stuff....sometimes to stir the pot....sometimes to get a response...sometimes to be silly and laughed at...and sometimes just not thinking.

I made a reference to someone that none of us know and for that matter it may have all been staged. None of them may be real.

The things that were said against me were said to and about a real person. I didn't call the woman in the video names and I didn't call any of you names...but I was called names and accused of being something I'm not.

I would never smack somebody up side the head...that doesn't mean that they don't need it for being stupid though. A good slap never hurt nobody! I encountered many of them as a child.

I also support capital punishment, the death penalty, and stronger penalties for child and woman abuse.

The point is that I thought I made an "off the wall comment" in the midst of friends and family. I didn't realize that the comment police were on duty and looking to punish those who said something that was not meant how it was taken.

I've read where others on here have made some pretty stupid statements and everyone just laughed....but I'm only a 400 poster and not in the 3000++ clique.

I mean come on...have none of you ever made comments about people you don't know.

[Shellie]

Alan,

There was no hate or anger from me. I still stand by my posting and I didn't misunderstand his point. I knew what he was trying to say. And for the record, I have stated over and over again that she was WRONG. BUT, her behavior did NOT make him hitting her back okay...like what Daniel's words portrayed.

Pastor Daniel's words did not make me think that he is an abuser. I KNOW what he was meaning.

My entire point was that his words did NOT come across right and that he should have acknowledged that and fixed it. People's reactions, (that are now being jumped on in trying to defend Pastor Daniel for being jumped on ) were due to what HE said. Are all those people "wrong" for not liking the way his words made them feel?

Should we tell the abused women that post on this board that the words meant nothing and they are taking them too seriously?

Should Pastor Daniel have said," That was probably a poor choice of words.", this whole thing wouldn't have gone this far.

In a perfect world:

Shellie says (which she didn't because her zeal sometimes outweighs her wisdom): "Pastor Daniel, this was probably a poor choice of words that you used here. Please clarify what you were meaning so that no one misundertands."

Pastor Daniel says (which he didn't because his pride outweighed his wisdom): "You know, you are right. I wouldn't want to give anyone the wrong impression. What I meant was...................."