what about sin?

[MrDanger]

I guess I found out that I'm not among friends and need to guard myself better, watch what I say and turn this into a professional relationship.

I've read where others on here have made some pretty stupid statements and everyone just laughed....but I'm only a 400 poster and not in the 3000++ clique.

What is up with you and Dawg...trying to out do each other for Drama King of Jude 2.

Everybody on here has said something that people overreacted to at some point time. We don't downgrade our relationships or act like its an insult. You two need to step back and take a deep breath.

And that comes from someone that isn't part of a 3000+ clique. I'm in the 2000+ clique, thank you very much.

[one love]

I'd like to say that the minute I saw this that I asked Dawgs to remove it. He did have my name in the post and at least removed that...but it's still obviouse that he's referring to me.

I still think this all a silly issue that was taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

When you're among friends you tend to be LESS careful about what you say. I guess I found out that I'm not among friends and need to guard myself better, watch what I say and turn this into a professional relationship.

We were talking about a stupid video on youtube! None of us know this woman or this preacher....it was all hypothetical talk and I thought it was in good fun and fun debate.

I say alot of stupid stuff, silly stuff....sometimes to stir the pot....sometimes to get a response...sometimes to be silly and laughed at...and sometimes just not thinking.

I made a reference to someone that none of us know and for that matter it may have all been staged. None of them may be real.

The things that were said against me were said to and about a real person. I didn't call the woman in the video names and I didn't call any of you names...but I was called names and accused of being something I'm not.

I would never smack somebody up side the head...that doesn't mean that they don't need it for being stupid though. A good slap never hurt nobody! I encountered many of them as a child.

I also support capital punishment, the death penalty, and stronger penalties for child and woman abuse.

The point is that I thought I made an "off the wall comment" in the midst of friends and family. I didn't realize that the comment police were on duty and looking to punish those who said something that was not meant how it was taken.

I've read where others on here have made some pretty stupid statements and everyone just laughed....but I'm only a 400 poster and not in the 3000++ clique.

I mean come on...have none of you ever made comments about people you don't know.

well Brother what about calling shellie names? Is she out of this because she is a moderator? You mentioned being insulted but the same has been done to shellie...

The truth is when something is said you disagree with you will respond to it, "even among friends" you have done that many times, this is a forum for discussion, lets not forget that. I am not for anyone being disarespectful and I feel we should always use integrity even when insulted. You want to count how many times I ahve been called names
So lets just move on , sorry for any confusion but lets be equal as the thread says is one worse then the other? so i ask If you were insulted is it then ok to insult shellie

[Alan]

MANY THINK HE NEEDED TO CHOOSE HIS WORDS MORE WISELY.

I am one of the many who thinks that and voiced it in that thread.

Alan,

There was no hate or anger from me. I still stand by my posting and I didn't misunderstand his point. I knew what he was trying to say. And for the record, I have stated over and over again that she was WRONG. BUT, her behavior did NOT make him hitting her back okay...like what Daniel's words portrayed.

Pastor Daniel's words did not make me think that he is an abuser. I KNOW what he was meaning.

My entire point was that his words did NOT come across right and that he should have acknowledged that and fixed it. People's reactions, (that are now being jumped on in trying to defend Pastor Daniel for being jumped on ) were due to what HE said. Are all those people "wrong" for not liking the way his words made them feel?

Should we tell the abused women that post on this board that the words meant nothing and they are taking them too seriously?

Should Pastor Daniel have said," That was probably a poor choice of words.", this whole thing wouldn't have gone this far.

In a perfect world:

Shellie says (which she didn't because her zeal sometimes outweighs her wisdom): "Pastor Daniel, this was probably a poor choice of words that you used here. Please clarify what you were meaning so that no one misundertands."

Pastor Daniel says (which he didn't because his pride outweighed his wisdom): "You know, you are right. I wouldn't want to give anyone the wrong impression. What I meant was...................."

Shellie,

I can agree that it could have been handled better by everyone. Sometimes we don't think about the situations of others who may read our comments, and I do thank you for pointing that out. I'm glad there was no hate or anger in your response, I don't truly believe that anyone meant that, but for some of the remarks came across that way to me. There again we don't know how people will take our remarks sometimes.

[PastorDaniel]

Alan,

In a perfect world:

Shellie says (which she didn't because her zeal sometimes outweighs her wisdom): "Pastor Daniel, this was probably a poor choice of words that you used here. Please clarify what you were meaning so that no one misundertands."

Pastor Daniel says (which he didn't because his pride outweighed his wisdom): "You know, you are right. I wouldn't want to give anyone the wrong impression. What I meant was...................."

I agree with you on these points Shellie....however, your zeal was misunderstood as pride and anger.....by me.

Also, I'm not a prideful man...when I feel that I'm wrong...I say I'm wrong....but just as you....I don't feel I was wrong in making a silly comment about an abusive woman that none of us know.

I don't understand why you took this so personal...I didn't say that ALL women need a good smackin' sometimes. I said this woman needed to be slapped upside the head for being stupid. (and I've already clarified that it was one of those off the wall comments....that didn't imply action)

And for clarification I was thinking about all the trouble being caused at the church, like the trustees changing the locks and trying to take over the church.

The comment about about horsewhipping is when Jesus went into the Temple and started turning over tables and whipping those that were causing sin to be committed in the house of God.

I didn't say that she NEEDED to be horsewhipped...I said that she probably(along with all the other troublemakes men and women alike) would have been one of the ones that Jesus was whipping for causing sin in the House of God. You did take that out of context and put words in my mouth for sure.

[one love]

I guess I found out that I'm not among friends and need to guard myself better, watch what I say and turn this into a professional relationship.

I've read where others on here have made some pretty stupid statements and everyone just laughed....but I'm only a 400 poster and not in the 3000++ clique.

What is up with you and Dawg...trying to out do each other for Drama King of Jude 2.

Everybody on here has said something that people overreacted to at some point time. We don't downgrade our relationships or act like its an insult. You two need to step back and take a deep breath.

And that comes from someone that isn't part of a 3000+ clique. I'm in the 2000+ clique, thank you very much.

2000? looks like you are above 3000 to me Im a part of the "800 or more clique, or should i say who cares how many post clique" Mr Danger you are correct i really dont see what all this drama is about......

[RamboPreacher]

...
And that comes from someone that isn't part of a 3000+ clique. I'm in the 2000+ clique, thank you very much.

see image, interesting...

and back from reference of the OP and the first page:
is hitting someone ALWAYS a sin? I don't see where the Bible says thou shalt not put the smak on thine neighbor.

my post said:

...or putting the smak-down on someone in anger and loss of self-control...

just for clarification.

[MrDanger]

2000? looks like you are above 3000 to me Im a part of the "800 or more clique, or should i say who cares how many post clique" Mr Danger you are correct i really dont see what all this drama is about......

oops. My dyslexia kicked in. I was seeing it as two thousand three hundred. My bad.

I would like to officially apologize to Pastor Daniel. I AM part of the 3000+ clique. I misspoke.

[RamboPreacher]

2000? looks like you are above 3000 to me Im a part of the "800 or more clique, or should i say who cares how many post clique" Mr Danger you are correct i really dont see what all this drama is about......

oops. My dyslexia kicked in. I was seeing it as two thousand three hundred. My bad.

I would like to officially apologize to Pastor Daniel. I AM part of the 3000+ clique. I misspoke.

at least you aren't a dyslexic atheist (there is no dog). hehhehe

[one love]

just as a thought maybe the trustees and the church was not to far off seeing how the pastors response was to punch a woman
here that ought to change things now

[PastorDaniel]

I guess I found out that I'm not among friends and need to guard myself better, watch what I say and turn this into a professional relationship.

I've read where others on here have made some pretty stupid statements and everyone just laughed....but I'm only a 400 poster and not in the 3000++ clique.

What is up with you and Dawg...trying to out do each other for Drama King of Jude 2.

Everybody on here has said something that people overreacted to at some point time. We don't downgrade our relationships or act like its an insult. You two need to step back and take a deep breath.

And that comes from someone that isn't part of a 3000+ clique. I'm in the 2000+ clique, thank you very much.

No sir you have 3251...

Dawgs happens to be my best friend and felt I was wronged. I'm not downplaying any relationships...That clique statement was one that I probably need to retract... So I retract and apologize if it offended anyone cause I did say it out of spite.

[PastorDaniel]

I'd like to say that the minute I saw this that I asked Dawgs to remove it. He did have my name in the post and at least removed that...but it's still obviouse that he's referring to me.

I still think this all a silly issue that was taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

When you're among friends you tend to be LESS careful about what you say. I guess I found out that I'm not among friends and need to guard myself better, watch what I say and turn this into a professional relationship.

We were talking about a stupid video on youtube! None of us know this woman or this preacher....it was all hypothetical talk and I thought it was in good fun and fun debate.

I say alot of stupid stuff, silly stuff....sometimes to stir the pot....sometimes to get a response...sometimes to be silly and laughed at...and sometimes just not thinking.

I made a reference to someone that none of us know and for that matter it may have all been staged. None of them may be real.

The things that were said against me were said to and about a real person. I didn't call the woman in the video names and I didn't call any of you names...but I was called names and accused of being something I'm not.

I would never smack somebody up side the head...that doesn't mean that they don't need it for being stupid though. A good slap never hurt nobody! I encountered many of them as a child.

I also support capital punishment, the death penalty, and stronger penalties for child and woman abuse.

The point is that I thought I made an "off the wall comment" in the midst of friends and family. I didn't realize that the comment police were on duty and looking to punish those who said something that was not meant how it was taken.

I've read where others on here have made some pretty stupid statements and everyone just laughed....but I'm only a 400 poster and not in the 3000++ clique.

I mean come on...have none of you ever made comments about people you don't know.

well Brother what about calling shellie names? Is she out of this because she is a moderator? You mentioned being insulted but the same has been done to shellie...

The truth is when something is said you disagree with you will respond to it, "even among friends" you have done that many times, this is a forum for discussion, lets not forget that. I am not for anyone being disarespectful and I feel we should always use integrity even when insulted. You want to count how many times I ahve been called names
So lets just move on , sorry for any confusion but lets be equal as the thread says is one worse then the other? so i ask If you were insulted is it then ok to insult shellie

I NEVER called Shellie a name....I even went back and checked just to make sure!

I do agree we need to move on...I didn't start this post.

I also agree that it's okay to disagree among friends and even strongly disagree among friends.

And it's not all Shellie her posts triggered some responses from other women who didn't post until she did...so their view was affected by hers and there were some unnecessary comments made....

Like..."I'm glad I don't go to his church" and "I won't speak until given permission while he's around" these are not verbatim but close and comments like this do "paint a picture" and could be misunderstood as accusation....

So let's just all move on and close this topic out...I have all the clarification that I need...We are now beating a dead horse.

[one love]

all these can be offensive as well in my opinion

"Over dramatic"

Accusing ones views being because of “3000+cliques”

"Comment police"

"some of you are just too "Holy" for me I guess. Sorry I missed the halo and wings"

We all want to "assume" that we'd be the "bigger" person....but what we need to do is come down off of our high horses and realize that unless we were there and being attacked that we don't "know for a fact" what we would do.


"It's the mindset of people like you that cause all kinds of trouble
You need to quit being oversensitive"

Im for letting this go as well but I am just pointing out when we get defensive we can quickly pass judgement or say things that can be insulting. The intent is plain but is just as wrong. I have been very inuslted as i said but then still needed to come back and apologize becuase I felt that in my defensive I was a little harsh, judgemental or even insulting. So I have nothing against anyone here and I dont feel you are a "abuser" or a supporter of people who abuse woman. I think you are a good man, so please dont misunderstand that. So love ya lets move on.
May the Lord bless you

[Sherry]

And it's not all Shellie her posts triggered some responses from other women who didn't post until she did...so their view was affected by hers and there were some unnecessary comments made....

Well, since I'm one of "those women" guess I should respond!

But then again, this is a open forum, and I do have the right to my opinion....so, I stand by what I said. I disagree with what you wrote. Simple as that.

I have to agree with Mr Danger, the Drama King award may have to go to you this year!

I am a member of the 4000+ clique for the record!

[dawgs10]

i would like to thank rambo preacher, billy n nc, alan, and one love for following directions in this thread. for the rest of ya i still would like to know yes or no to the question. any other response would be an attempt to hijack the thread and will be delt with swiftly!!!

[MrDanger]

i would like to thank rambo preacher, billy n nc, alan, and one love for following directions in this thread

Aye Aye captain. Didn't realize we were required to follow DIRECTIONS on here. And especially with you being a sterling example of always keeping with the topic at hand, I can see why that would be required of us.