strength in corporate prayer

[one love]

What is a powerful prayer, Gerald you seem to assume it's a prayer that changes God's mind (which does happen in one or two biblical examples, but I'll agree is rare, and probably NOT the main purpose of prayer)

I think a powerful prayer isn't as much about changing God, but changing ourselves, our outlook, our perspective. Sometimes it's about changing our situation, but often that's not the biggest problem.

Large corporate prayer, dedicated places or times for prayer can strengthen our faith and our focus assisting us to RECEIVE what God is saying. That is a more powerful prayer.

agree

[oletimer]

Full Quiver Posted:
Sure the church prayed on Pentecost and I hate to spoil your theology but they didn't call down the Holy Ghost.

I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one doing it.

[oletimer]

Full Quiver Posted:
Sure the church prayed on Pentecost and I hate to spoil your theology but they didn't call down the Holy Ghost.

I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one preaching it.

[Full Quiver]

So you think men called down the Holy Ghost. Really??? I happen to believe that God had that day set before those men were ever born and whether or not they were praying the Spirit was on His way.

I suppose you also believe that the "rapture" is not already predetermined by God. Maybe no man nor God knows the say or hour.

TCoG doctrine never ceases to amaze me. Sorry bro.

[oletimer]

oletimer Posted:

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Full Quiver Posted:
Sure the church prayed on Pentecost and I hate to spoil your theology but they didn't call down the Holy Ghost.


I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one preaching it.

Evidently you didn't read the post right. What I said was and I quote,

I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one preaching it.

I've never heard that preached before either when I was in the COGOP nor in the TCOG, and that goes back before you even was in this world. You know better. I still love ye man.

[one love]

So you think men called down the Holy Ghost. Really??? I happen to believe that God had that day set before those men were ever born and whether or not they were praying the Spirit was on His way.

I suppose you also believe that the "rapture" is not already predetermined by God. Maybe no man nor God knows the say or hour.

TCoG doctrine never ceases to amaze me. Sorry bro.

come on FQ what does that have to do with TCOG doctrine//????? Im really confused now
Are you implying that it did not matter wether they were in one accord on the day of pentecost? What if they were all angry and arguing would it still have happened? One accord had nothing to do with that? Sure God preordained it because he knows the begining and the end, he has pre ordained it all for his will to be done but dont be confused with predestination I know you get the difference but that is my point.
BTW TCOG teaches nothing as you are implying, and Ole timer didnt suggest they did but rather they did not
SMile Brohther

[one love]

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[Full Quiver]

Sorry Kevin but I missed your reply. Maybe I am misreading Oletimer but I take him at the notion that the 120 prayed down the Holy Ghost and it was not God's plan for that day.

Yes, they all could have been arguing and the spirit still would have came as He did. The 120 may not have been baptized but nevertheless He was on His way regardless of what they were doing.

Jesus told them to tarry till the promise came. They could have disobeyed but the promise was preordained to come. Pentecost has a NT meaning and that is why the Spirit came on that day. God is never caught by surprise and He will have His way period.

I said TCoG's doctrine never ceases to amaze me because Oletimer is a pastor in that org. and if he thinks the 120 prayed and thus made the Spirit come down and baptize them then YES that is bad doctrine.

Love ya bro.

[one love]

Sorry Kevin but I missed your reply. Maybe I am misreading Oletimer but I take him at the notion that the 120 prayed down the Holy Ghost and it was not God's plan for that day.

Yes, they all could have been arguing and the spirit still would have came as He did. The 120 may not have been baptized but nevertheless He was on His way regardless of what they were doing.

Jesus told them to tarry till the promise came. They could have disobeyed but the promise was preordained to come. Pentecost has a NT meaning and that is why the Spirit came on that day. God is never caught by surprise and He will have His way period.

I said TCoG's doctrine never ceases to amaze me because Oletimer is a pastor in that org. and if he thinks the 120 prayed and thus made the Spirit come down and baptize them then YES that is bad doctrine.

Love ya bro.

Indeed but to label an organization by one's post is a fallacy, you can not judge a church by a statement on a forum. You know the doctrine and was a pastor so you know enough to know what we teach and not to paint such a broad stroke. Now they were praying and were in one accord that is a very important thing, God does not bless disobedience, but I dont want to go that route but it was important to note that they were in unity on that day. We can not under play that. Sure it was ordained by the Lord.
Love ya to Brother

I would add it was pre ordained and timing was of essence and he did it on penetcost so there would also be many people around to witness what took place.

[oletimer]

Full Quiver Posted:
Sorry Kevin but I missed your reply. Maybe I am misreading Oletimer but I take him at the notion that the 120 prayed down the Holy Ghost and it was not God's plan for that day.

Danny go back and read all of my post on this subject and highlight were I said any thing even close to that.

Ole Timer posted:
I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one preaching it.
I've never heard that preached before either when I was in the COGOP nor in the TCOG, and that goes back before you even was in this world. You know better.

FQ posted:
I said TCoG's doctrine never ceases to amaze me because Oletimer is a pastor in that org. and if he thinks the 120 prayed and thus made the Spirit come down and baptize them then YES that is bad doctrine.

I HAVE NEVER BELIEVE NOR PREACHED, NOR PRACTICE AND ANY SUCH THING, NOR DOES TCOG AND LAST TIME I KNEW OF NEITHER COGOP.

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE EVER HEARD MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT.

The subject was corporate prayer and I used "the day of Pentecost" as an example of corporate prayer, nothing more and nothing less.

[Gerald Creasy]

In all scripture given for corporate prayer NONE say it was BECAUSE of what was going on in scripture that a prayer was answered.

Yes it says where "two are three are gathered there i am also"
But IT DOES NOT SAY: Now your prayer has a better chance.

YES the people gathered to pray when peter was in prison,
but it does NOT say BECAUSE the people gathers the prayer would be answered.

Even in at Pentecost it does not say BECAUSE they gathered the HS came.

[scooter]

I think this has to do with a greater issue regarding "God's will" and human participation.

I used to think the whole "What can the clay say to the potter" was a principle set in stone, but have come to realize that God gave us the power of choice for a reason.

When the scripture says "If any man will purge himself of these" and that that will make a difference in what type of vessel he or she is, it highlights God's design of participation.

Prayer is an aspect of that participation. God cares about the number of people that pray. His will is that men would prayer everywhere rather than here and there. That is God's will. The more people praying the greater God's will is being accomplished through His participation program.

This is not in the exalting of human power over God's will but rather an exaltation of God's will above human desire.

Sure in many cases people pray amiss, sure people pray from a hindered position. I'm not talking about making God do anything but rather, praying in a proper manner from a proper position, believing you will receive.

I think of the scripture regarding the size of the cry that went up against Sodom. God did not spare Sodom for lack of numbers. Numbers apparently mattered to Him in that instance. I know that He is not confined by the numbers to save by many or by few, but the more people that pray, in a Godly way, the more God's will is done.

I also know that some of the most powerful prayers have been by individuals. That does not negate the fact that God also blesses unity.

[Pastor Bill]

Scripture does say "forsake not the gathering of yourselves together as the manner of some is, but even more as ye see the day approaching"

Companionship, fellowship, community, these are human needs, God created us this way, and we do better this way, it doesn't "raise the odds" of our prayer being heard (God hears them anyway) nor does it necessarily change His Will, but there is power and strength in numbers, and that uplifting strength is not only desired by humans naturally, but we are designed for it by God.

[Full Quiver]

Mt 17:21
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

The verse does fit the part on prayer and fasting and the strenght to be had from it.

But guess what they were doing on the day of Penacost. Remember when Peter was in jail, what was the the people doing?

Corporate prayer was practice in the NT. What I had in mind was our experience in lengthy prayer either in private, or as a corporate.

What I felt was our quick prayers may get us by for a while, but after a while we will need our time in deep prayer.

Not throwing any rocks, but just encouraging us to think about deeper prayer and to ingage in it. Thanks

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Full Quiver Posted:
Sure the church prayed on Pentecost and I hate to spoil your theology but they didn't call down the Holy Ghost.


I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one preaching it.

2 questions:

1. What were they doing on the day of pentecost (scripture please)

2. What are you so surpirsed about me preaching and why?

[scooter]

1:14 These all continued * with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.