strength in corporate prayer

[Full Quiver]

Ac 1:15 ¶ And in those days Peter stood up

Wasn't there a 10 day period between Christ's ascension and Pentecost? These same people couldn't pray with Him one hour just 2 months earlier and yet now I am to believe they prayed CONTINUOUSLY for 10 days. I'm not saying they weren't praying but we cannot certainly prove that. Either way they didn't call down the Spirit as most Pentecostals think they can do.

[scooter]

Ac 1:15 ¶ And in those days Peter stood up

Wasn't there a 10 day period between Christ's ascension and Pentecost? These same people couldn't pray with Him one hour just 2 months earlier and yet now I am to believe they prayed CONTINUOUSLY for 10 days. I'm not saying they weren't praying but we cannot certainly prove that. Either way they didn't call down the Spirit as most Pentecostals think they can do.

Response: I would agree with the calling down part being goofy. I also think its goofy to remove praying from the equation. THEY were praying before and they were praying afterwards. The one mind and one accord aspect would not have been mentioned if it were not a part of the equation.

It is one stupid hill to die on.

[oletimer]

Full Quiver
Subject: 2 questions for Ole Timer

Ole Timer posted
Quote:
Mt 17:21
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

The verse does fit the part on prayer and fasting and the strenght to be had from it.

But guess what they were doing on the day of Penacost. Remember when Peter was in jail, what was the the people doing?

Corporate prayer was practice in the NT. What I had in mind was our experience in lengthy prayer either in private, or as a corporate.

What I felt was our quick prayers may get us by for a while, but after a while we will need our time in deep prayer.

Not throwing any rocks, but just encouraging us to think about deeper prayer and to ingage in it. Thanks

Full Quiver Posted:
Sure the church prayed on Pentecost and I hate to spoil your theology but they didn't call down the Holy Ghost.

Ole Timer posted
I've never heard that one before and never thought that you would be the one preaching it.

2 questions:

1. What were they doing on the day of pentecost (scripture please)

Ac 2:42
¶ And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

2. What are you so surpirsed about me preaching and why?

Danny I have never doubted your calling to preach. What has bother me is that you have been trying to say that I believe that they prayed down the HG at Pentecost and TCOG taught it. Danny you know better. I've read many of your post and know you can do a better job then that. I'm not mad, just want the record streight




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[Pastor Bill]

Ac 1:15 ¶ And in those days Peter stood up

Wasn't there a 10 day period between Christ's ascension and Pentecost? These same people couldn't pray with Him one hour just 2 months earlier and yet now I am to believe they prayed CONTINUOUSLY for 10 days. I'm not saying they weren't praying but we cannot certainly prove that. Either way they didn't call down the Spirit as most Pentecostals think they can do.

Yes and also about 40 days between the resurrection and ascension, in that 50 days those men grew very quickly, you can see a great difference after that time, it was a night and day difference in their attitudes and their focus. I did a series on that last year in the 7 weeks between Easter and Pentecost, and it you focus on that brief period of time, while it is normally glossed over and many don't even realize it was near that long, you will find that there was some importance given to that time of preparation. They weren't the same men as they were when they fell asleep or were arguing over who would sit at the right hand, etc.

[Full Quiver]

Oletimer, what did you mean by their is strength in prayer and then give Pentecost as an example?

Acts 2:42 took place after the Holy Ghost came

[oletimer]

Full Quiver Posted:

Oletimer, what did you mean by their is strength in prayer and then give Pentecost as an example?

Acts 2:42 took place after the Holy Ghost came

Ac 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

The word continued:
Webster's 1828 Dictionary [A-J]
continued
CONTINUED, pp.
1. Drawn out; protracted; produced; extended in length; extended without interruption.
2. a. Extended in time without intermission; proceeding without cessation; unceasing; as a continued fever, which abates but never entirely intermits. A continued base is performed through the whole piece.

Ole Timer Posted:
But guess what they were doing on the day of Penacost. Remember when Peter was in jail, what was the the people doing?

Corporate prayer was practice in the NT. What I had in mind was our experience in lengthy prayer either in private, or as a corporate.

I have no way of knowing what they were praying about and neither do you. We can guess and can have a good ideal, but no where did I say what they were praying about, but that they were praying.

I feel that the strength is gained thru our devotion and time in prayer, which God honors, and not so much in numbers. When pray together, we encourage one another and find oneness of spirit.

The subject “Prayer” covers such a area that it would be hard to go into dept here. But I hope that I have covered your question.

[Full Quiver]

The THEY spoken of in Acts 2:42 were the 3,000 added to the church after peter preached. They were not gathered in the upper room at all.

[oletimer]

Full Quiver Posted:

The THEY spoken of in Acts 2:42 were the 3,000 added to the church after peter preached. They were not gathered in the upper room at all.

How do you know where they were, it doesn't say.

Well this one tell were they were and what they were doing.


Ac 1:13
And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
Ac 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

[Full Quiver]

Oletimer please, is this how you preach. Acts 2:42 speaks of a group that was numbered as 3,000 souls. Acts 1 speaks of 120 people. These are 2 totally different groups and you CANNOT say the 3,000 were in the upper room, that the 120 were the THEY spoken of in Acts 2:42 or that Acts 2:42 means that on the day of Pentecost at the time of the Spirit outpouring that these folks were praying.


Again, Oletimer, what did you mean by their is strength in prayer and then give Pentecost as an example?

[oletimer]

scooter Posted:

Full Quiver wrote:
Ac 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up

Wasn't there a 10 day period between Christ's ascension and Pentecost? These same people couldn't pray with Him one hour just 2 months earlier and yet now I am to believe they prayed CONTINUOUSLY for 10 days. I'm not saying they weren't praying but we cannot certainly prove that. Either way they didn't call down the Spirit as most Pentecostals think they can do.

Response: I would agree with the calling down part being goofy. I also think its goofy to remove praying from the equation. THEY were praying before and they were praying afterwards. The one mind and one accord aspect would not have been mentioned if it were not a part of the equation.

It is one stupid hill to die on.

Danny:
Scooter is right, YOUR ideal of the 120 calling down the HG is GOOFY. I say YOUR ideal because YOU are the only one I have ever ,ever heard say it, even referring to another one. Is this how you preach, contributing words and ideals to others, that they didn’t either say nor believe.

Again, Oletimer, what did you mean by their is strength in prayer and then give Pentecost as an example?

“their is strength in prayer”. ‘Their” should be”there” nick picking isn’t it. See what I mean.

There is STRENGTH IN PRAYER and you should know it. Corporate helps us to build Spiritually, if you can’t see this then that is your problem.

OleTimer posted:
But guess what they were doing on the day of Penacost. Remember when Peter was in jail, what was the the people doing?
Corporate prayer was practice in the NT.

Now Danny, where was Peter and who was praying for him? Corporate was practice in the New Testament. As far as my believes go, when I get up in the mornings, it don’t matter who has come or gone, if either you or I have chips on their shoulder I’m still the same.

Ac 12:5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

Yes I belong to The Church Of God. For reasons that are mine I left the Church of God of Prophecy about four years ago. I have stayed out of the bickering of different ones of all the COG’s. But for some reason Danny you keep throwing this up in my face. I have prayed for your wife when she was sick (didn’t post it didn’t feel it was needed), prayed for your children when they sere sick or hurt, and when I heard of some of the things that had happen to you and your family, I hurt with you.

If you want to know how I preach and teach, come down to Russellville Al.. You will be treated with respect and welcome. But don’t think that belittling me is going bother me all that much, it want. Now I’m going to go to other things and drop this subject. For the better part I’ve enjoyed it and don't carry any hurt feeling with me. May the love of God be with you all ways.

[one love]

double post sorry i know this happens a lot lately when i edit my spelling because of my horribe typing

[one love]

Why do we ask for multiple people to pray when one is sick? why do we make post about prayer? why not just say a prayer our self?
Just a thought..


I think corporate prayer is about his believers being in unity, God Blesses unity among his people. When they are in one accord h blesses. Matter of fact the opposite angers him. Discord is an abomination and one of the seven things he hates. Now I am saying that the Lord many times will guide his church or his will in unified prayer. This is why many churches have prayer meetings, to seek the Lord for his guidance. Not to say if you are alone the Lord will answer less but I’m referring to what he does when his people are gathered together in unity, he blesses.

oletimer is a good guy And I talked to Danny for a minute tonight and my phone died so I called back and got his voice mail so I told him I would get some corporate prayer going that I would catch him on his cell

Hope that brings some humor friends

[Full Quiver]

I am not against people getting together and praying. I do not find in the Word where that makes us spiritually stronger. Faith comes by hearing the word of God and our strength is found there.

I appreciate your prayers for my family Ole Timer. I am not against you! The prayer of faith shall save the sick not many prayers. You for one should stress the fact that the Word says THE prayer of faith. Notice the singularity of that statement. If I may, notice the exclusivity of such a prayer. It only takes one prayer if it is the prayer of faith. Now if it takes 2,000 prayers before one prayer of faith then so be it. Of course this statement will probably stir up another discussion.

Kevin, we need to pray for your phone's battery bro.

[scooter]

I appreciate your prayers for my family Ole Timer. I am not against you! The prayer of faith shall save the sick not many prayers. You for one should stress the fact that the Word says THE prayer of faith. Notice the singularity of that statement. If I may, notice the exclusivity of such a prayer. It only takes one prayer if it is the prayer of faith. Now if it takes 2,000 prayers before one prayer of faith then so be it. Of course this statement will probably stir up another discussion.
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Response: Notice the singularity??? Go back read the scripture before using it to bolester your own fly by night rendition.

The scripture SAYS let THEM, THE ELDERS, PLURAL, MULTIPLE, MORE THAN ONE, pray that singular prayer. Get a grip.

[Full Quiver]

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Exactly right Scooter.

This says elders also and not the entire church, small groups, etc.