Hey Gerald

[Mike Vande]

Gotta question for ya, brah; Are you at a place in your walk where you are doubting spiritual gifts in the contemporary church?

[Gerald Creasy]

Gotta question for ya, brah; Are you at a place in your walk where you are doubting spiritual gifts in the contemporary church?

Absolutely not; but I tend to think they happen quietly, and not in the three ring circus of modern day Pentecostalism.

FOR ALL OF YOU who believe in healing ministries and may even think you have one put your action where your mouth is.

Couple across the street. Man in ill health. Woman takes care of teenager with the mind of a four year old. She's just diagnosed with cancer.

Ohhhh come to your revival, put money in your plate while they hear you brag about your money, your credit line....THEn you'll pray for them.

Putrid.

[darylscook]

Absolutely not; but I tend to think they happen quietly, and not in the three ring circus of modern day Pentecostalism.

FOR ALL OF YOU who believe in healing ministries and may even think you have one put your action where your mouth is.

Couple across the street. Man in ill health. Woman takes care of teenager with the mind of a four year old. She's just diagnosed with cancer.

Ohhhh come to your revival, put money in your plate while they hear you brag about your money, your credit line....THEn you'll pray for them.

Putrid.

While, I am not who you were talking about considering how I feel about Divine Healing, I do feel led to pray for this lady/Family.

Lord, you know the heart and needs in this situation. Would you touch the family in the name of Jesus? I am asking for Divine Healing from You. YOU are the healer. Thank you, in the name of Jesus.

Pastor Daryl

[pastorables]

Absolutely not; but I tend to think they happen quietly, and not in the three ring circus of modern day Pentecostalism.

Gerald,

I really do understand where you're coming from and mostly agree, however you are often rash to place every miracle worker with notoriety into the same category. The problem with your judgment is that someone who quietly performs miracles within or without the church will eventually become noted by believers and naysayers alike.

Personally, I would think that Jesus was labeled similarly in his day. And the disciples often caused quite a stir themselves?! Wouldn't having hundreds of sick with bandages, crutches, and stretchers brought to you in public settings appear to be a three ring circus by the critics?

pa

[Gerald Creasy]

[While, I am not who you were talking about considering how I feel about Divine Healing, I do feel led to pray for this lady/Family.


Pastor Daryl

About Divine healing, I feel the same. And thank you.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald,

I really do understand where you're coming from and mostly agree, however you are often rash to place every miracle worker with notoriety into the same category. The problem with your judgment is that someone who quietly performs miracles within or without the church will eventually become noted by believers and naysayers alike.

pa

I believe your statement illustrates the problem:

Towit:

"Every miracle worker"
There is one and only one.

"someone who quietly performs"

It is ONLY God that performs.

[scooter]

Gerald,

I really do understand where you're coming from and mostly agree, however you are often rash to place every miracle worker with notoriety into the same category. The problem with your judgment is that someone who quietly performs miracles within or without the church will eventually become noted by believers and naysayers alike.

pa

I believe your statement illustrates the problem:

Towit:

"Every miracle worker"
There is one and only one.

"someone who quietly performs"

It is ONLY God that performs.

Response: Wasn't like working miracles a gift to the church?

[scooter]

1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Sure God is the source, but to neglect the vessel is....questionable.

[Gerald Creasy]

Sure God is the source, but to neglect the vessel is....questionable.

The problem is how the vessel chooses to behave,
IF a real healing ever occured under Benny Hinn,
I wouldn't give him the hair of my big hind end.

Contrast that with "Cotton". I had to pry and persist to get him to confess that a blind man was once healed under his prayer.

[scooter]

Sure God is the source, but to neglect the vessel is....questionable.

The problem is how the vessel chooses to behave,
IF a real healing ever occured under Benny Hinn,
I wouldn't give him the hair of my big hind end.

Contrast that with "Cotton". I had to pry and persist to get him to confess that a blind man was once healed under his prayer.

Response: However the revival at the time was pitched on the Radio and noised abroad to the result of a packed house, standing room only, and people leaning in the windows.

I just was opting in to clarify about there only being one miracle worker.

[scooter]

6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.


The Bible relays it in this manner, we shouldn't fear doing the same, if it were true of course.

[Gerald Creasy]

6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.


The Bible relays it in this manner, we shouldn't fear doing the same, if it were true of course.

But you can not take ONE passage and stand it up against scripture as a whole.

We know the power is Gods.
The descision is Gods.
The method is Gods.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO CLAIM IT WAS YOU?


And the revival was not touted on the radio BECAUSE it was a healing revival, was it?

[Dr. Ron]

Okay, it's time to look this issue in the face.

The scripture says that the gifts of the spirit are given to the church for the edification of the body.

Never once in the NT does the word imply that there would be "miracle workers",...i.e. Hinn, Roberts and the like.

I Cor. 12 is the defining scripture concerning the operation of the gifts of the spirit.
While I will not try to post all that here...(mainly because I don't know how), you can read it for yourself. Those gifts are for the edification of the body as a regular part of our relationship with God and with each other.

As an evangelist I prayed for thousands over the years. I have had blind eyes opened, lame limbs healed, deaf ears opened, dumb to speak, .....all those miracles were a part of who I was and still am. Today, I rarely pray for anyone in the church service. I have a prayer team of church members who do that....I do still pray with people in the hospitals, nursing homes, .....at their homes....where-ever. But in the services, I allow the body to minister to the body,

And you know what, we have as many healings and miracles now as we ever have.

I agree with Gerald that MOST of these guys start off genuine...and then they start believeing their own press. Maybe God did annoint me......to be the "voice of deliverance" to the World! Then bub, it better happen every time!!!!

[scooter]

6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.


The Bible relays it in this manner, we shouldn't fear doing the same, if it were true of course.

But you can not take ONE passage and stand it up against scripture as a whole.

We know the power is Gods.
The descision is Gods.
The method is Gods.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO CLAIM IT WAS YOU?


And the revival was not touted on the radio BECAUSE it was a healing revival, was it?

Response: That one passage is not the only time, instance or giftedness recorded as done by someone with the UNDERSTANDING it was God.

It's like saying did God send fire down or did Elijah pray it down?

Elijah didn't supercede God's authority just operated in his giftedness.

No shame there.

I only wanted to clarify that its not bad to say someone was gifted in such a manner. The good works that are done should naturally glorify God and not man. Basically all the goofballs do not negate the genuine.

I think it went "Fellas if yall want to hear some good ole fashion preaching". I don't know much more.

[Gerald Creasy]

I agree with Gerald that MOST of these guys start off genuine...and then they start believeing their own press. Maybe God did annoint me......to be the "voice of deliverance" to the World! Then bub, it better happen every time!!!!

The first thing that happens if a healing occurs under someones prayer nowadays is the air is sucked out of the room and into a puffed up chest.

They begin to think they're unteachable, uncorrectable, and infallible....soon they begin to threaten the children of anyone who'd criticize them and talk about blowing peoples heads off with "Holy Ghost machine guns"