You want to talk CULTS?

Postby **Pastor Gary** » May 2nd, 2008, 3:51 pm

Okay, now... I know we throw the word "CULT" around pretty loosely sometimes, but you want to REALLY talk cult? If you have about an hour of your life to invest, this will curl your toenails and make every xCOGx variant you can imagine seem pretty orthodox. :shock:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2881681478

paul · Postby **paul** » May 2nd, 2008, 5:20 pm

defiently places the idea of cult in prespective. It is amazing how people need to belong so badly to something.

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » May 2nd, 2008, 6:13 pm

Man.....don't drink the kool-aide....You know it's the same story over and over....Jim Jones, this guy, the Wacko from Waco....they're all the same..."I'm God, now let me have sex with your wife!"

It's truly sad that they haven't experienced the true liberty that comes from the true Jesus Christ!

Postby **Pastor Gary** » May 2nd, 2008, 6:29 pm

PastorDaniel wrote:Man.....don't drink the kool-aide....You know it's the same story over and over....Jim Jones, this guy, the Wacko from Waco....they're all the same..."I'm God, now let me have sex with your wife!"

The seven young virgins are naive and easily duped (and WERE, big-time) but the agony of his own son and his wife... I feel so bad for them being so deceived.

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » May 3rd, 2008, 4:41 am

Pastor Gary wrote:
PastorDaniel wrote:Man.....don't drink the kool-aide....You know it's the same story over and over....Jim Jones, this guy, the Wacko from Waco....they're all the same..."I'm God, now let me have sex with your wife!"

The seven young virgins are naive and easily duped (and WERE, big-time) but the agony of his own son and his wife... I feel so bad for them being so deceived.

I agree....It is all terribly sad....those young girls have never known anything different.

What I don't understand is the giving up your own wife.

Its very easy to say that "I would never do something like that'

But I would like to study more about how these guys get into their followers heads.

It was obvious that the son was struggling....

I wonder if Michael "truly" believes this is all right himself.....or is just "playing" the part and reaping the benefits....what do you think?

Poimen · Postby **Poimen** » May 3rd, 2008, 5:56 am

How horribly, tragically sad.

TW · Postby TW » May 3rd, 2008, 9:24 am

The only good thing about this group is that it is small. Unlike some of the other cults that have led hundreds and thousands astray. I grieve at the loss of any soul, but at least in this case it is limited.

These groups seem to follow a pattern of isolating themselves from the world, and use:

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

as their scriptural mandate. They twist the meaning of this scripture and teach that it means that we are to physically separate ourselves from the world. To be honest, I have heard some mainstream preachers dance very close to this same interpretation.

That however is not the meaning that I get from it. Rather, that it means, don't allow the fleshy influences of the world to corrupt you. By reading the scriptures and through prayer to live in such a way as to witness to those around you the love and hope that Jesus extends to a fallen world. You are to become an example of the life that God desires for all.

The truth is that if God did not want us to be part of this world he wouldn't have placed us in it. We are placed in this world to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to do so we must be in this world. When one becomes fixated on the End Times they cannot be a witness to how God desires his children to live as part of His creation.

Your brother in Christ,
TW

Postby **Pastor Gary** » May 6th, 2008, 8:58 am

They arrested the "Messiah."

A2JGirl · Postby **A2JGirl** » May 6th, 2008, 9:10 am

TW wrote:The only good thing about this group is that it is small. Unlike some of the other cults that have led hundreds and thousands astray. I grieve at the loss of any soul, but at least in this case it is limited.

These groups seem to follow a pattern of isolating themselves from the world, and use:
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

as their scriptural mandate. They twist the meaning of this scripture and teach that it means that we are to physically separate ourselves from the world. To be honest, I have heard some mainstream preachers dance very close to this same interpretation.

That however is not the meaning that I get from it. Rather, that it means, don't allow the fleshy influences of the world to corrupt you. By reading the scriptures and through prayer to live in such a way as to witness to those around you the love and hope that Jesus extends to a fallen world. You are to become an example of the life that God desires for all.

The truth is that if God did not want us to be part of this world he wouldn't have placed us in it. We are placed in this world to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to do so we must be in this world. When one becomes fixated on the End Times they cannot be a witness to how God desires his children to live as part of His creation.

Your brother in Christ,
TW

How VERY VERY true.

:goodpost:

I said this in my Roll Call post, concerning my Amish Mennonite experience, that you can try to take the person out of the world, but only Jesus can take the world out of a person. You expounded on that and I totally agree with you. The group I was in had no kind of evangelism because of their fear of the world (but they didn't really teach salvation anyway).

DaJudge · Postby **DaJudge** » May 6th, 2008, 10:51 am

Did you get the link to that video from Karen? :lol:

free · Postby **free** » May 6th, 2008, 11:06 am

Here's their web site:

http://strongcity.info/

Some how I came across this earlier today and then saw the same thing posted here...This group broke off from the 7th Day Adventist in the 80's.

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » May 6th, 2008, 11:09 am

DaJudge wrote:Did you get the link to that video from Karen?

Speaking of which: Shouldn't she show up sometime soon to tell us about the Myanmar Storm being the horse apples of one of the Horses of the Apocalypse?

TW · Postby TW » May 6th, 2008, 11:48 am

Just saw this on-line:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24488767

TW

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » May 6th, 2008, 5:14 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:They arrested the "Messiah."

Finally...after watching the video...I thought to myself...How many underage girls have to admit lying naked with a 66 year old man before they arrest him....he even admitted to touching them when he compared himself to a doctor. :shock:

Sadly he has already attribute this to his crucifixtion and his followers will eat it up.

DaJudge · Postby **DaJudge** » May 8th, 2008, 4:31 am

This video was shown on National Geographic Channel last night (minus the British guy's voice over).

What scares me about the cult isn't so much "Michael", but that Manson Family-esque coven of women that follow him around. Especially the white haired one with the big glassy green eyes. They are a strange bunch.

Jude 2