Richard Dawkins and Pentecostal Big Names Agree

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » May 8th, 2008, 8:31 pm

"The historical evidence that Jesus claimed any sort of divine status is minimal."

The God Delusion
Richard Dawkins

Transcribed From Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Praise The Lord Show:

Kenneth Copeland: "We are still questioning what was said about that prophecy. That prophecy never mentioned the Son of God. Never said anything about the Son of God."

Paul Crouch: "What did it say?"

Kenneth Copeland: "It said I did not claim to be God."

Jan Crouch: (Unintelligible sounds.)

Kenneth Copeland: "That’s all it said."

Paul Crouch: "In other words, in so many words, you’re right, no where in the New Testament did he literally get up . . ."

Kenneth Copeland: ". . . preach and claim that He was God . . ."

Paul Crouch: ". . . and say, ‘I am God.’ Did He? I stand corrected."

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » May 9th, 2008, 3:02 am

I wonder if it is just more assimilation. the expelled movie (haven't see yet) is a parallel. those ministries are just taking on more "intelligent" logic. blargh.

soulsearcher · Postby **soulsearcher** » May 9th, 2008, 5:14 am

Gerald Creasy wrote:Jan Crouch: (Unintelligible sounds.)

... as usual.

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » May 9th, 2008, 5:17 am

soulsearcher wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:Jan Crouch: (Unintelligible sounds.)

... as usual.

okay - now that made me actually chuckle out loud.

soulsearcher · Postby **soulsearcher** » May 9th, 2008, 5:24 am

A2JGirl · Postby **A2JGirl** » May 9th, 2008, 6:10 am

soulsearcher wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:Jan Crouch: (Unintelligible sounds.)

... as usual.

Have I told y'all about hearing her testify about God raising her pet chicken from the dead? :roll:

JanB · Postby **JanB** » May 9th, 2008, 6:23 am

A2JGirl wrote:
soulsearcher wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:Jan Crouch: (Unintelligible sounds.)

... as usual.

Have I told y'all about hearing her testify about God raising her pet chicken from the dead?

....and this all coming from a lady with 'pink' hair.... :roll:

one love · Postby **one love** » May 9th, 2008, 6:34 am

JanB wrote:
A2JGirl wrote:
soulsearcher wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:Jan Crouch: (Unintelligible sounds.)

... as usual.

Have I told y'all about hearing her testify about God raising her pet chicken from the dead?

....and this all coming from a lady with 'pink' hair....

I mean no disrespect (even know it drives me crazy) what is with the hair thing? I dont say much becuase im scared I will find out she lost her hair with the cancer but she says she never went though kemo (spelling sorry)

was this an 80's thing or just a crouch thing :shock:

Is it all wigs??

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » May 9th, 2008, 6:39 am

one love wrote:I mean no disrespect (even know it drives me crazy) what is with the hair thing? I dont say much becuase im scared I will find out she lost her hair with the cancer but she says she never went though kemo (spelling sorry)

was this an 80's thing or just a crouch thing Is it all wigs??

When I was a teen...and stupid...I used to watch Paul & Jan all the time thinking I was being really spiritual. That was 30 years ago.

She wore wigs then.

valley · Postby **valley** » May 9th, 2008, 6:39 am

She is scarey looking. Kind of like a drag queen I saw once. How is it that they are still on air after saying such things? Do we know so little theology?

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » May 9th, 2008, 6:46 am

valley wrote:How is it that they are still on air after saying such things? Do we know so little theology?

That's a question I've been asking Pentecostals for ten years.

They tell me I'm just crazy.

one love · Postby **one love** » May 9th, 2008, 7:05 am

they play off the minds of the simple. People want t believe they can be rich, it is a pollution of the gospel and I would fear to make this a ministry.
I can handle many preachers but the constant prosperity garbage really upsets me and I think people cant believe this, but they do because they would not keep asking for ten thousand dollar offerings if some were not sending them.
If one is not informed biblically and hears these examples all the time is sounds good.'
I had a neighbor say a few years ago "Kevin I know you are a preacher and I have been doing all I know but im just not prospering like I should be" All I knew to say was "seek ye first the kingdom of God and all his righteousness"
He was a very intelligent man and is starting to make it good writing movies........ but he believed this stuff. The bible speaks the oppisite, it is not about worldy riches. Why was the rich man in hell and the poor man blessed? Just a thought no need for a theology debate on that verse I do know the meaning but it is a thought :wink:

Pastor Bill · Postby **Pastor Bill** » May 9th, 2008, 7:12 am

one love wrote:they play off the minds of the simple. People want t believe they can be rich, it is a pollution of the gospel and I would fear to make this a ministry.
I can handle many preachers but the constant prosperity garbage really upsets me and I think people cant believe this, but they do because they would not keep asking for ten thousand dollar offerings if some were not sending them.
If one is not informed biblically and hears these examples all the time is sounds good.'
I had a neighbor say a few years ago "Kevin I know you are a preacher and I have been doing all I know but im just not prospering like I should be" All I knew to say was "seek ye first the kingdom of God and all his righteousness"
He was a very intelligent man and is starting to make it good writing movies........ but he believed this stuff. The bible speaks the oppisite, it is not about worldy riches. Why was the rich man in hell and the poor man blessed? Just a thought no need for a theology debate on that verse I do know the meaning but it is a thought

I'd have had to ask "so you aren't growing closer to God? You aren't growing in your understanding of His Word? Oh, wait you mean worldly prosperity, why are you focusing on that?"

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » May 9th, 2008, 7:53 am

Gerald Creasy wrote:
one love wrote:I mean no disrespect (even know it drives me crazy) what is with the hair thing? I dont say much becuase im scared I will find out she lost her hair with the cancer but she says she never went though kemo (spelling sorry)

was this an 80's thing or just a crouch thing Is it all wigs??

When I was a teen...and stupid...I used to watch Paul & Jan all the time thinking I was being really spiritual. That was 30 years ago.

She wore wigs then.

Always looked like 2 wigs at the same time to me, sort of a mystical hairdo.

I've always called it a wig within a wig.

DaJudge · Postby **DaJudge** » May 9th, 2008, 8:22 am

one love wrote:they play off the minds of the simple. People want t believe they can be rich, it is a pollution of the gospel and I would fear to make this a ministry.

If ya'll think TBN is bad, watch BET late on Sunday nights. Every criminal preacher who has had some kind of sex or financial scandal is on there selling prayer cloths and splinters off the cross. Peter Popoff, Robert Tilton, you name it. Evidently people are still falling for it, because they are paying for TV time some way.

Jude 2