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Re: how should we vote?

Postby EagerBeaver » May 9th, 2008, 9:34 am

dawgs10 wrote:to continue voting for a party that is trying to bankrupt this country is just as bad if not more than voting for a party that supports abortion rights. if the united states does not change the way we are spending money we dont have,there will be millions of people that dont hear the gospel. if money dont come from the U.S. it will not come and missions will go broke. abortion and views toward gay rights will not be changed by a president. it can only be changed by God. we support the world church with our money. and the ones that do most of the living and dieing in this country also do most of the giving. but if we dont have money because the rich are in control and they intend to keep all of it at the top than we will be bankrupt very soon. and the world will suffer. so vote for a rep. hopefully God will return before the end of the next 4 years!!!


Gee, no one ever thought of that before. You hit the nail right on the head, Dawgs. I can't believe how narrow minded all the neo-cons are.
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Re: how should we vote?

Postby DaJudge » May 9th, 2008, 9:45 am

dawgs10 wrote:to continue voting for a party that is trying to bankrupt this country is just as bad if not more than voting for a party that supports abortion rights.


Dawgs, you seem to be a deficit hawk, and that's fine. You want us to spend less than we take in. That's reasonable. I do too. Does the GOP bear some blame in the current national debt? Yep. Are they alone in this? Nope. Who passes the bills that spends all the money? The congress. Who controls Congress? The Democrats.

Does Bush bear part of the blame in this? Yes, because he signed those spending bills instead of vetoing them. Does he, and his party, bear all the blame? NO WAY.

If you want to see some out of control spending, elect Obama or Hillary, leave the Democrats in control of Congress, let them get their way on passing a Government run health care system, and batten down the hatches.

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Re: how should we vote?

Postby dawgs10 » May 9th, 2008, 9:53 am

DaJudge wrote:
dawgs10 wrote:to continue voting for a party that is trying to bankrupt this country is just as bad if not more than voting for a party that supports abortion rights.


Dawgs, you seem to be a deficit hawk, and that's fine. You want us to spend less than we take in. That's reasonable. I do too. Does the GOP bear some blame in the current national debt? Yep. Are they alone in this? Nope. Who passes the bills that spends all the money? The congress. Who controls Congress? The Democrats.

Does Bush bear part of the blame in this? Yes, because he signed those spending bills instead of vetoing them. Does he, and his party, bear all the blame? NO WAY.

If you want to see some out of control spending, elect Obama or Hillary, leave the Democrats in control of Congress, let them get their way on passing a Government run health care system, and batten down the hatches.


what you have written is true. another way to look at it-bill clinton spent a lot of money for alot of things i did not support. but he understood that if we are going to spend money it has to be there. therefore he payed for it with taxes. now i dont like taxes anymore than anyone else but if we are going to spend it on military or welfare it has to come from somewhere. so i agree with those that believe that if you spend it put back or have it there so you dont have to borrow it from china.

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Postby one love » May 9th, 2008, 9:57 am

the sad thing about politics are this. When one party has issues they want to achieve they need votes from congress and the senate. However when the president who was a conservative wants a bill passed and thinks the votes are locked all of a sudden there will be some admentment added to it that gives more spending to some cause, that he does not support.

Check spending under clinton......

Who wants welfare reform and less spending
who want government health care
who wants programs for programs that mean nothing but money in a region to get another congressmen voted in????

To say you want less spending and then say vote democratic goes against there own PUBLIC acknoledgement of who they are. They are big government, they admit the governement should spend more...what are you talking about.


Now Bush failed by allowing these things to pass but what you dont hear about everyday is had he vetoed all those bills how much military spending would have been cutt by not enough votes???????hmmmmm I will sign your bill but you must pass mine, then spending gets deeper.

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Postby dawgs10 » May 9th, 2008, 10:05 am

one love wrote:the sad thing about politics are this. When one party has issues they want to achieve they need votes from congress and the senate. However when the president who was a conservative wants a bill passed and thinks the votes are locked all of a sudden there will be some admentment added to it that gives more spending to some cause, that he does not support.

Check spending under clinton......

Who wants welfare reform and less spending
who want government health care
who wants programs for programs that mean nothing but money in a region to get another congressmen voted in????

To say you want less spending and then say vote democratic goes against there own PUBLIC acknoledgement of who they are. They are big government, they admit the governement should spend more...what are you talking about.


Now Bush failed by allowing these things to pass but what you dont hear about everyday is had he vetoed all those bills how much military spending would have been cutt by not enough votes???????hmmmmm I will sign your bill but you must pass mine, then spending gets deeper.


i will guess that five or ten time as much money has been spent under bush that clinton. the diffrence is how the money was spent and that clinton payed for it as he went and when he left the united states had a surplus not large debt. i dont agree with how clinton spent money but i do agree with the fact you should not spend it unless ya got it. most people dont live like that so they dont see any reason the gov. should. then when the country goes bankrupt and the national banks close and loans stop and local banks take the stuff for the money people owe them they will wish they voted for people that had morals about the way they spent money. dont spend unless ya got it or unless you have a plan to get it.

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Postby one love » May 9th, 2008, 10:43 am

dawgs10 wrote:
one love wrote:the sad thing about politics are this. When one party has issues they want to achieve they need votes from congress and the senate. However when the president who was a conservative wants a bill passed and thinks the votes are locked all of a sudden there will be some admentment added to it that gives more spending to some cause, that he does not support.

Check spending under clinton......

Who wants welfare reform and less spending
who want government health care
who wants programs for programs that mean nothing but money in a region to get another congressmen voted in????

To say you want less spending and then say vote democratic goes against there own PUBLIC acknoledgement of who they are. They are big government, they admit the governement should spend more...what are you talking about.


Now Bush failed by allowing these things to pass but what you dont hear about everyday is had he vetoed all those bills how much military spending would have been cutt by not enough votes???????hmmmmm I will sign your bill but you must pass mine, then spending gets deeper.


i will guess that five or ten time as much money has been spent under bush that clinton. the diffrence is how the money was spent and that clinton payed for it as he went and when he left the united states had a surplus not large debt. i dont agree with how clinton spent money but i do agree with the fact you should not spend it unless ya got it. most people dont live like that so they dont see any reason the gov. should. then when the country goes bankrupt and the national banks close and loans stop and local banks take the stuff for the money people owe them they will wish they voted for people that had morals about the way they spent money. dont spend unless ya got it or unless you have a plan to get it.


take awya the war and add it up....also look at what came in and what was spent....
that is the difference on spending

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Postby DaJudge » May 9th, 2008, 11:01 am

dawgs10 wrote:
the diffrence is how the money was spent and that clinton payed for it as he went and when he left the united states had a surplus not large debt.


That surplus was owing to the Internet boom, and the increase in revenues that went with it. Once the boom went bust, away went the revenues, and away went the surplus.

Dawgs, what you don't seem to understand is, that every time in history that taxes have been raised, revenues actually decrease, and when you cut taxes, the revenue increases, owing to the stimulation in the economy that it produces. It's a fact.

What we really need is a president AND a congress who will cut taxes (or at least not raise them) AND cut spending at the same time. THAT is the recipe for a healthy economy.

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All republicans are going to heaven

Postby Dr. Ron » May 9th, 2008, 11:05 am

dawgs and all

You guys who are bashing Bush for spending need a lesson in war time economy. You are buying into the belief that the war on terrorism is over. Bush in his "speech of the century" that got the highest rating ever give a president, promised that this would be a long and expensive war. He gave a fair warning to all. We all applauded his courage and bravado.

The democrats even went along with him. But, the dems know when opportunity strikes! They jumped right in with more pork than a Chicago stock yard. Those "time line" issues became the source of their campaign to take back the congress and it worked......especially with people like you.

If you and folks like you, want to balance the budget, then don't take any deductions on your taxes...and send your stimulus package money back to Washington. Don't put MY money where YOUR mouth is!
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Re: All republicans are going to heaven

Postby dawgs10 » May 9th, 2008, 11:27 am

Dr. Ron wrote:dawgs and all

You guys who are bashing Bush for spending need a lesson in war time economy. You are buying into the belief that the war on terrorism is over. Bush in his "speech of the century" that got the highest rating ever give a president, promised that this would be a long and expensive war. He gave a fair warning to all. We all applauded his courage and bravado.

The democrats even went along with him. But, the dems know when opportunity strikes! They jumped right in with more pork than a Chicago stock yard. Those "time line" issues became the source of their campaign to take back the congress and it worked......especially with people like you.

If you and folks like you, want to balance the budget, then don't take any deductions on your taxes...and send your stimulus package money back to Washington. Don't put MY money where YOUR mouth is!


dr ron, let me give you a quick lesson war time economy. its the same as any other time economy. you spend money you dont have. so you borrow. then you have to pay it back. if you borrow or spend more than you take in you pay taxes or you go bankrupt. good day dock.

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Postby Dr. Ron » May 9th, 2008, 12:02 pm

You sure skirted the issue well.

War time economy is not the same.....you are missing the point entirely.

You can't force the addition of "pork barrell" spending ( which the dems have done in huge amounts) during a war. And just remember, the dems have generally started all the wars that we continue to fight or have a presence in.
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Re: All republicans are going to heaven

Postby dawgs10 » May 9th, 2008, 4:33 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:You sure skirted the issue well.

War time economy is not the same.....you are missing the point entirely.

You can't force the addition of "pork barrell" spending ( which the dems have done in huge amounts) during a war. And just remember, the dems have generally started all the wars that we continue to fight or have a presence in.


not skirting anything, rep. want to spend without taxes!!! it dont work. either dont spend or pay taxes.

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Re: All republicans are going to heaven

Postby DaJudge » May 9th, 2008, 4:48 pm

dawgs10 wrote: either dont spend or pay taxes.


I choose the less spending route! :lol:

Actually, WWII was a time when we went into extreme debt for war time spending and it led to the biggest economic boom (the 50's) that this country has ever seen. Even if there hadn't been an econmic benefit, though, wasn't WWII worth it Dawgs? Wasn't it worth it to defeat the Nazi?

Even if we see no economic benefit from the war, and even if we are hurt economically by it, it's worth it to stop the attacks of radical Islam.

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Postby Dr. Ron » May 10th, 2008, 2:29 am

Thank you dajudge!

This young man has proven he is incapable of giving anyone a lesson in war time economics. War costs money......period....but the dems just keep on piling up the "entitlement " issues.

Ask any soldier who he would prefer to have as commander in chief. I can tell you easily.....

Just before the invasion of Iwo Jima...the first time we actually tried to take Japanese soil, the nation was broke....we had financed Russia on that front, England, and most every country in the world.

We went into a sacrificial mode that put us into bankruptcy....or something near it....only the people of this country willing to sacrifice and buy war bonds kept us from speaking German.

Yes we have to incur debt. President Bush has done an amazing job with the amount of money he has had available.

Do I like deficet spending? NO ...but if you are holding Clinton up as an example of fiduciary responsibility, you need to take off the "dem" colored glasses.

Hope you soon see the light or learn farsi.
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Postby one love » May 10th, 2008, 4:42 am

Less taxes Bring more revenue, check it out Dawgs it is fact. Higher taxes brings less revenue people hold back money , lose jobs therefore les spending which brings in a lot of tax money. This is why the fair tax would work so well.
If the people have more money they spend more and that brings more tax revenue. Bush cut taxes and it brought much more revenue after his tax cuts.

The figures

Part of our strategy to cut our deficit in half is to continue to grow this economy. Tax relief has helped a growing economy, which means more tax revenue for the federal treasury. 2005 tax revenues grew by $274 billion, an increase of nearly 15 percent over the previous year. This year the economy is still growing, and tax revenues are growing with it. So far, tax revenues are 11 percent higher than they were at the same point last year, which is better than projected. More than a quarter of these tax revenues come from corporations who pay more because they're growing with the economy.



Prove this wrong it is fact!!!! Yell "tax cuts for the rich" all you want but they spend money, create jobs, pay most of ALL the taxes in this nation.

Just some more interesting facts of the evil President Bush, which btw has had one of the hardest presidencies in a long time, 9-11 should have killed our economy but actually the economy got better then it was when Clinton was in his last year of office, why becuase his false boom was over because the dot com people were done.

This economy of ours is hitting full stride. In the first quarter of this year, our economy grew at an annual rate of 4.8 percent. This follows a vigorous 2005, when the American economy grew at 3.5 percent. The past two-and-a-half years, we've added more than 5.2 million new jobs. Productivity over the last five years has grown at the fastest rate in decades. Higher productivity leads to higher wages for the American workers. Hourly compensation grew at an annual rate of 5.7 percent in the first quarter of this year. American workers are taking home bigger paychecks and their standard of living is on the rise. The American economy is powerful, productive, and prosperous, and we're going to keep it that way.

Economic growth begins with the hard work of the American people and good policies in Washington, D.C. Over the past few years our economy has faced a lot of challenges. We've been through a recession, a stock market decline, corporate scandals, an attack on our country, high energy prices and major natural disasters. But we acted. We believe that our economy prospers when the American people make their own decisions about how to save and spend and invest their own money. And starting in 2001 we delivered the largest tax relief since Ronald Reagan was in the White House.
We reduced taxes for every American who pays income taxes. We doubled the child tax credit, reduced the marriage penalty, created new incentives for small businesses to invest. We put the death tax on the road to extinction. The American people have used their money better than the government ever could have. They've used the tax relief to provide for their families and create jobs and help the American economy become the envy of the industrialized world.




As a buisness owner I promise if we get tax increases I will have to lay off a few people, that is not a political ploy or a play on words it is fact and I am concerned. Less workers means less income for the company, it is still almost impossible to run a small buisness for one reason "the governments pursuit to raise taxes and kill our ability to grow" If anyone does not like BUSH fine but his tax cuts saved this economy after 9-11 and it saved us from a bigger recession that he was left with, whether you believe that or not the stock market was garbage at that point.

So why you scream to raise taxes you may lose your job. Yes spend less but you cant compare spending when we are at war, if you compared it other wise you would see a huge difference.
When the Dust settles President Bush is going to be noticed as one of the greats and will not apologize for this statement.

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Re: All republicans are going to heaven

Postby dawgs10 » May 10th, 2008, 11:18 am

Dr. Ron wrote:Thank you dajudge!

This young man has proven he is incapable of giving anyone a lesson in war time economics. War costs money......period....but the dems just keep on piling up the "entitlement " issues.

Ask any soldier who he would prefer to have as commander in chief. I can tell you easily.....

Just before the invasion of Iwo Jima...the first time we actually tried to take Japanese soil, the nation was broke....we had financed Russia on that front, England, and most every country in the world.

We went into a sacrificial mode that put us into bankruptcy....or something near it....only the people of this country willing to sacrifice and buy war bonds kept us from speaking German.

Yes we have to incur debt. President Bush has done an amazing job with the amount of money he has had available.

Do I like deficet spending? NO ...but if you are holding Clinton up as an example of fiduciary responsibility, you need to take off the "dem" colored glasses.

Hope you soon see the light or learn farsi.


most people with any sense of responsibily at all will tell you that iraq is not ww11 or japan. when clinton left office there was a surplus. thats a fact. before 9-11 the surplus had been all but wiped out. dont like clinton and think he is crazy on most subjects but he left office with a suplus. fact. i dont remember a rep. that has. matter of fact name one. but you can cut school funding and art funding and funding for roads and funding for vets insurence if ya want. i would rather pay a 3 cent sales tax. i am not that greedy to think that a few dollars from everyone could help mankind. i know when i cross the state line into tenn. it feels like i am driving in a tank. no state tax up there and the hotel tax dont pay for it like it used to. we need to look at history and understand that tax dollars are not always an evil thing. we just need people in washington that will do the right thing with it.


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