How will we survive $15 gas??

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Postby RamboPreacher » May 22nd, 2008, 11:11 am

Gerald Creasy wrote:...
I BELIEVE THAT 15$ a GALLON FOR GAS WILL BE THE END OF AMERICAN SOCIETY and possibly THE US as a nation.
I agree, but only assuming no other changes in technology, infrastructure or micro and macro economics. As I alluded to earlier and what Macuser and I agree on (apparently) is that the supply and demand curves in general, American economics, not in direct reference to gas/oil - are changing and with that change comes innovation (hopefully); but at least change. :)
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Postby paul » May 22nd, 2008, 11:11 am

EagerBeaver wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:I BELIEVE THAT 15$ a GALLON FOR GAS WILL BE THE END OF AMERICAN SOCIETY and possibly THE US as a nation.


I completely agree. We would be forced into slavery to other countries.

If the business sector in America is smart they will somehow find a way to get past this whole mess.


gloom.....doom........agony........defeat...............

Karen where are you you have so many new recruits. :lol: :lol:
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Postby EagerBeaver » May 22nd, 2008, 11:14 am

paul wrote:
EagerBeaver wrote:
Gerald Creasy wrote:I BELIEVE THAT 15$ a GALLON FOR GAS WILL BE THE END OF AMERICAN SOCIETY and possibly THE US as a nation.


I completely agree. We would be forced into slavery to other countries.

If the business sector in America is smart they will somehow find a way to get past this whole mess.


gloom.....doom........agony........defeat...............

Karen where are you you have so many new recruits. :lol: :lol:


No, I am simply being a realist.

We need to prepare for the worst-case scenario, as I believe Tracy said it earlier. And the worst-case scenario could be more realistic than we all think.

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Postby dolfan » May 22nd, 2008, 11:16 am

Maybe I've mentioned this. At our store, it is very common for people to come in and pay with change they've scraped up. Poor folks sometimes just get a gallon of gas cause that's all the money they've got, and they pay with change from home. We usually see that increase at the end of the month, for obvious reasons. Over a week ago, we noticed we were getting more change-payers then than we do at the end of the month. It hasn't let up.

This gas price thing is killing people's pockets, because everything else is through the roof, too. Wealthy people won't hurt as much, but they never do. That's the great thing about wealth, I guess. But, the average person out there is feeling this hard, and the below-average income folks are in real pain. We've tried to absorb some of this in our bottom line, but we've held that line as long as we can, and we've had to increase prices. It's vicious.
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Postby Gerald Creasy » May 22nd, 2008, 11:37 am

paul wrote:gloom.....doom........agony........defeat...............

Karen where are you you have so many new recruits. :lol: :lol:


Paying attention to the written word has never been your strength, has it??

I wrote "Assuming that it is a possibility" that is entirely different than believing it will.

But of course YOU have a lot on the line when -ASSUMING that it is a possibility- all the people realize the prosperity teaching you embrace is nothing but a pack of lies and they come to lynch your spoiled behind.
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Postby Full Quiver » May 22nd, 2008, 11:39 am

let's say that the worst predictions about gas prices and oil supply,.......Everyone rushing out and buying smaller more efficient cars isn't going to dent prices,


Dolfan, I am with you on the fact that rising gas costs will punish the entire economy including grocers, eateries, and middle class and poor families
People at the lower end of the income spectrum are already feeling the crunch and it is starting to hurt. Tough decisions will have to be made soon by many.

The problem is not supply and demand. Oil does not work that way. The Saudis increased supply recently and the price continues to go up. The oil minister or Iraq said it has nothing to do with supply and demand as we know it. The dollar is WEAK and SOMEONE is getting wealthy off of oil futures. What ever oil futures really is and whomever is driving up this price is who is really getting rich and causing the problems.

WHO IS IT is what I want to know!

If we all started driving cars that got 50 miles to the gallon then naturally we would need less gas in America. The price would not fall though because someone is inflating the price.
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Postby EagerBeaver » May 22nd, 2008, 11:42 am

Full Quiver wrote:
If we all started driving cars that got 50 miles to the gallon then naturally we would need less gas in America. The price would not fall though because someone is inflating the price.


True we would need less gas, but there would be less demand which would drive prices through the roof (as if they already are not).

I'm with you on the "oil futures" thing. I have heard here in the newsroom that people are blaming the price increase of oil on the weak dollar, and speculators who are worried nations we have relied on for years will cut supplies (even though others are stepping up to help).

Time for me to invest in a bicycle and some land to grow my own food.
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Postby Full Quiver » May 22nd, 2008, 11:57 am

Eager, you'd never be able to afford the fertilizer and seeds to supply your own food. With the recent droughts fertilizer and such has gone through the roof. a friend of mine got out of the cattle business because of such. He paid out the wazoo all winter to feed his herd because the drought caused a shortage of hay and of course increased price for hay. He called to get his land fertilized for hay this year and he couldn't afford it. Last year his crop failed altogether.


$15 a gallon would cost me at least $225.00 a week just to get to work.

We would also pay about $420.00 per week just for church, errands, etc.

That alone would be just above my bring home pay for a week. That's like working for the oil companies themselves isn't it? Think about it, Go to work all week just to stop at the gas station and spend your entire pay check. Yeah, that makes sense. I tell you what, the first time that happens O'll personally burn DC to the ground. LOL :lol: 8) :lol:

Oh no, here comes the secret service. :roll:
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Postby paul » May 22nd, 2008, 12:16 pm

Gerald Creasy wrote:
paul wrote:gloom.....doom........agony........defeat...............

Karen where are you you have so many new recruits. :lol: :lol:


Paying attention to the written word has never been your strength, has it??

I wrote "Assuming that it is a possibility" that is entirely different than believing it will.

But of course YOU have a lot on the line when -ASSUMING that it is a possibility- all the people realize the prosperity teaching you embrace is nothing but a pack of lies and they come to lynch your spoiled behind.


Once again Gerald, you are totally clueless. I understand the Word. I know the world situation probably as good if not better than many. After all it is my field of labor. I have nothing to loose, only heaven to gain in the long run. I simply refuse to sit under a juniper tree. If you believe that the words in Php 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always: again I will say, Rejoice.
Php 4:5 Let your forbearance be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Php 4:6 In nothing be anxious; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.
Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Php 4:19 And my God shall supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
Php 4:20 Now unto our God and Father be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.

if these be lies, then what can I say. I lay every message I've preached over the past 38 years before God, He knows the intent of my heart, my thoughts, my motivation. You do not.
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Postby Susie Hamilton » May 22nd, 2008, 12:52 pm

I live less than a mile from where I work and only use 1 tank of gas per month. I could ride my bicycle to work and use less. One local grocery store has items that give us a discount on their gas. I save those gas receipts and use them each month (I can use 10 of them at a time). This past weekend I paid 3.41/gallon on my fill up.If the gas prices go up higher, I see the price of stamps increasing again to pay for the gas the mail trucks use.
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Postby INLOVE » May 22nd, 2008, 12:55 pm

Ya'll are startin' to scare me. :cry:
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Postby paul » May 22nd, 2008, 1:07 pm

Gerald Creasy wrote:But of course YOU have a lot on the line when -ASSUMING that it is a possibility- all the people realize the prosperity teaching you embrace is nothing but a pack of lies and they come to lynch your spoiled behind.


So you think my behind is spoiled ! at least it is not soiled because of all the fear and gloom. :lol: :lol:
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Postby DaJudge » May 22nd, 2008, 1:25 pm

Luckily, we live just a few miles from my work, a few miles from church and a few miles from WalMart. If gas hits $15 (and I don't think it will get even close to that) those are the only 3 places we'll go.

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Postby Gerald Creasy » May 22nd, 2008, 3:23 pm

paul wrote:So you think my behind is spoiled ! at least it is not soiled because of all the fear and gloom. :lol: :lol:



I am wondering.

In this discussion of gas prices at a possible 15$ and average Joes facing absolute destitution...HOW MANY HIDE BEHIND A GAS CREDIT CARD THEY DONT HAVE TO PAY and MOCK.

Oh! Who!? How many!?

When God smites you you'll be prying those Gold Teeth you say appear in peoples mouth away from them to pay your bills.

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I don't think

Postby scooter » May 22nd, 2008, 3:32 pm

I don't think it will continue as it has to $15.00 a gallon.

I see it leveling out here in a bit and then coming back down.
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