surrender clip

[Jennifer Smith]

This is a clip from the lakeland revival. I think there are some good points made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVd042dGuto

[Gerald Creasy]

But then you'd have to surrender to this (as posted elsewhere):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYxoSYTr_E

Even their voices sound like bad acting.

[Poimen]

Despite what is lacking, he really does exude an angelic illumination, does he not? Angels of light appearing everywhere. But if that light be darkness, how great a darkness it really is.

[Jennifer Smith]

Gerald, some others may differ but I believe that on the day of pentecost described in Acts, there is a biblical precedence for being "drunk" in the spirit. Besides being a little giddy, they did nothing unseemly (as far as I saw and I watched nearly all of it).

I have experienced light-headedness and extreme joy in the Spirit, it is not anything so strange. It is what Paul referred to when he said, "Be not drunk with wine" but be filled with the Spirit.

There are many forms of idolatry amongst Christians, but a Christian who is being filled with the Spirit does not need to turn to idols, because they are fully satisfied in the presence of the Lord. In the Bible we are called
to "delight ourselves in the Lord." If you delight in reading His Word, I also do. I also enjoy worshipping and praying in the spirit and I am glad of that. In hard times, that special refreshing is what will bring victory and get a person through, and I believe that America and many Christians are facing hard times in the near future. This move of God may very well be the thing that helps to sustain believers.

Even some who do not agree or who have not experienced this may receive a blessing from the revival, it does not mean one has to surrender their natural and God-given inhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I think it helps to have an open heart and mind, but I don't think that anyone should allow another's freedom or a manifestation to be a stumbling block in any way that prevents them to enter in to what God has for them.

[EagerBeaver]

Gerald, some others may differ but I believe that on the day of pentecost described in Acts, there is a biblical precedence for being "drunk" in the spirit. Besides being a little giddy, they did nothing unseemly (as far as I saw and I watched nearly all of it).

I have experienced light-headedness and extreme joy in the Spirit, it is not anything so strange. It is what Paul referred to when he said, "Be not drunk with wine" but be filled with the Spirit.

There are many forms of idolatry amongst Christians, but a Christian who is being filled with the Spirit does not need to turn to idols, because they are fully satisfied in the presence of the Lord. In the Bible we are called
to "delight ourselves in the Lord." If you delight in reading His Word, I also do. I also enjoy worshipping and praying in the spirit and I am glad of that. In hard times, that special refreshing is what will bring victory and get a person through, and I believe that America and many Christians are facing hard times in the near future. This move of God may very well be the thing that helps to sustain believers.

Even some who do not agree or who have not experienced this may receive a blessing from the revival, it does not mean one has to surrender their natural and God-given inhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I think it helps to have an open heart and mind, but I don't think that anyone should allow another's freedom or a manifestation to be a stumbling block in any way that prevents them to enter in to what God has for them.

I do have a question. Not that I am trying to disregard your view Jennifer, but in the NT when the Holy Spirit came upon people, folks were saved and added to the church, the vessels the Spirit were working through were empowered to share the Gospel, and there was still some semblance of order, even on the Day of Pentecost. It was a recognizable sign that God's Spirit was there.

Are the same signs being exhibited in the Bentley revival? How come we are not seeing people brought to Christ for salvation, only "healing?"

[paul]

Gerald, some others may differ but I believe that on the day of pentecost described in Acts, there is a biblical precedence for being "drunk" in the spirit. Besides being a little giddy, they did nothing unseemly (as far as I saw and I watched nearly all of it).

I have experienced light-headedness and extreme joy in the Spirit, it is not anything so strange. It is what Paul referred to when he said, "Be not drunk with wine" but be filled with the Spirit.

There are many forms of idolatry amongst Christians, but a Christian who is being filled with the Spirit does not need to turn to idols, because they are fully satisfied in the presence of the Lord. In the Bible we are called
to "delight ourselves in the Lord." If you delight in reading His Word, I also do. I also enjoy worshipping and praying in the spirit and I am glad of that. In hard times, that special refreshing is what will bring victory and get a person through, and I believe that America and many Christians are facing hard times in the near future. This move of God may very well be the thing that helps to sustain believers.

Even some who do not agree or who have not experienced this may receive a blessing from the revival, it does not mean one has to surrender their natural and God-given inhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I think it helps to have an open heart and mind, but I don't think that anyone should allow another's freedom or a manifestation to be a stumbling block in any way that prevents them to enter in to what God has for them.

I do have a question. Not that I am trying to disregard your view Jennifer, but in the NT when the Holy Spirit came upon people, folks were saved and added to the church, the vessels the Spirit were working through were empowered to share the Gospel, and there was still some semblance of order, even on the Day of Pentecost. It was a recognizable sign that God's Spirit was there.

Are the same signs being exhibited in the Bentley revival? How come we are not seeing people brought to Christ for salvation, only "healing?"

Your very example show the different points of view concerning emotionalism. One one hand many precevid them ( those on the day of Pentecost) to be drunk,which I would take as not being orderly, while many heard the message of Christ in their own native tongue. And who is to say that people are not getting saved today in many strange settings and events ?

[EagerBeaver]

Gerald, some others may differ but I believe that on the day of pentecost described in Acts, there is a biblical precedence for being "drunk" in the spirit. Besides being a little giddy, they did nothing unseemly (as far as I saw and I watched nearly all of it).

I have experienced light-headedness and extreme joy in the Spirit, it is not anything so strange. It is what Paul referred to when he said, "Be not drunk with wine" but be filled with the Spirit.

There are many forms of idolatry amongst Christians, but a Christian who is being filled with the Spirit does not need to turn to idols, because they are fully satisfied in the presence of the Lord. In the Bible we are called
to "delight ourselves in the Lord." If you delight in reading His Word, I also do. I also enjoy worshipping and praying in the spirit and I am glad of that. In hard times, that special refreshing is what will bring victory and get a person through, and I believe that America and many Christians are facing hard times in the near future. This move of God may very well be the thing that helps to sustain believers.

Even some who do not agree or who have not experienced this may receive a blessing from the revival, it does not mean one has to surrender their natural and God-given inhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I think it helps to have an open heart and mind, but I don't think that anyone should allow another's freedom or a manifestation to be a stumbling block in any way that prevents them to enter in to what God has for them.

I do have a question. Not that I am trying to disregard your view Jennifer, but in the NT when the Holy Spirit came upon people, folks were saved and added to the church, the vessels the Spirit were working through were empowered to share the Gospel, and there was still some semblance of order, even on the Day of Pentecost. It was a recognizable sign that God's Spirit was there.

Are the same signs being exhibited in the Bentley revival? How come we are not seeing people brought to Christ for salvation, only "healing?"

Your very example show the different points of view concerning emotionalism. One one hand many precevid them ( those on the day of Pentecost) to be drunk,which I would take as not being orderly, while many heard the message of Christ in their own native tongue. And who is to say that people are not getting saved today in many strange settings and events ?

Yes they were perceived to be drunk and disorderly, but as you said there was a redeeming message in all of it. The Bible elaborates that many were added to the church. You don't see any of this with the Bentley revival, I see just a bunch of people flopping around calling it God. To me it sounds like a mockery.

As I stated above, God is a God of order and His Spirit empowers us, not renders us physically weak. Also you would think the Spirit, who is part of the Godhead, would in turn render glory to the Father.

I just don't see how this lines up scripturally.

[paul]

Gerald, some others may differ but I believe that on the day of pentecost described in Acts, there is a biblical precedence for being "drunk" in the spirit. Besides being a little giddy, they did nothing unseemly (as far as I saw and I watched nearly all of it).

I have experienced light-headedness and extreme joy in the Spirit, it is not anything so strange. It is what Paul referred to when he said, "Be not drunk with wine" but be filled with the Spirit.

There are many forms of idolatry amongst Christians, but a Christian who is being filled with the Spirit does not need to turn to idols, because they are fully satisfied in the presence of the Lord. In the Bible we are called
to "delight ourselves in the Lord." If you delight in reading His Word, I also do. I also enjoy worshipping and praying in the spirit and I am glad of that. In hard times, that special refreshing is what will bring victory and get a person through, and I believe that America and many Christians are facing hard times in the near future. This move of God may very well be the thing that helps to sustain believers.

Even some who do not agree or who have not experienced this may receive a blessing from the revival, it does not mean one has to surrender their natural and God-given inhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I think it helps to have an open heart and mind, but I don't think that anyone should allow another's freedom or a manifestation to be a stumbling block in any way that prevents them to enter in to what God has for them.

I do have a question. Not that I am trying to disregard your view Jennifer, but in the NT when the Holy Spirit came upon people, folks were saved and added to the church, the vessels the Spirit were working through were empowered to share the Gospel, and there was still some semblance of order, even on the Day of Pentecost. It was a recognizable sign that God's Spirit was there.

Are the same signs being exhibited in the Bentley revival? How come we are not seeing people brought to Christ for salvation, only "healing?"

Your very example show the different points of view concerning emotionalism. One one hand many precevid them ( those on the day of Pentecost) to be drunk,which I would take as not being orderly, while many heard the message of Christ in their own native tongue. And who is to say that people are not getting saved today in many strange settings and events ?

Yes they were perceived to be drunk and disorderly, but as you said there was a redeeming message in all of it. The Bible elaborates that many were added to the church. You don't see any of this with the Bentley revival, I see just a bunch of people flopping around calling it God. To me it sounds like a mockery.

As I stated above, God is a God of order and His Spirit empowers us, not renders us physically weak. Also you would think the Spirit, who is part of the Godhead, would in turn render glory to the Father.

I just don't see how this lines up scripturally.

To date I have never at any time endorsed this revival. The only thing I have said is that time will tell us if it is of God or not. And that was a quote from jack hayford, who is considered by many as a spiritual, well balanced giant in the Pentecostal Circle. Your debates are with merit. But also are isolated. I could certinally show you were Paul was rendered not only physically weak, but blind, by the Power of the Spirit of God.

And again who is to say of all those attending these meetings that many will start coming to church and be added to it.

I can show you proof that services that are conducted orderly, and very little emotionlism drew 10's of thousands to the alter and yet the churches in that area showed little if any groeth over the next year. I can do the same with emotional crusades also. I can also show you the opposite.

[one love]

that clip is the one that seems like mockery to me, I mean no disrespect but this is confusion. Notice he said it is in front of "MY PULPIT" im sorry this is just way out of order IMHO I respect everyones opinion but there is nothing but these signs, laughter, him yelling, blowing etc. I dont see any thing relative to what a revival should be biblically, as I said satan can transform himself into an angel of light, he also can make fire fall from heaven. The signs alone does not make it GOD.

Jennifer I saw the clip you posted as I said I have seen so many and I think if all I saw was that clip I could say it seems like a decent worship service but the rest cancel that thought to me, I respect your opinion though, May the Lord bless you.

[Jennifer Smith]

that clip is the one that seems like mockery to me, I mean no disrespect but this is confusion. Notice he said it is in front of "MY PULPIT" im sorry this is just way out of order IMHO I respect everyones opinion but there is nothing but these signs, laughter, him yelling, blowing etc. I dont see any thing relative to what a revival should be biblically, as I said satan can transform himself into an angel of light, he also can make fire fall from heaven. The signs alone does not make it GOD.

Jennifer I saw the clip you posted as I said I have seen so many and I think if all I saw was that clip I could say it seems like a decent worship service but the rest cancel that thought to me, I respect your opinion though, May the Lord bless you.

onelove, I thank-you for being polite. I am quite sure that there are a lot of people who have trouble with the clip, and I totally understand that. A lot of people have had trouble with Rodney Howard Browne also although he is more outlandish in comparison. That's why I bring him up: many of these actions may be learned behaviors, like Lee college graduates who add, "uh" to the ends of all their words when they preach. The practices seem normal to some but perhaps outlandish to others depending on background. I'm not saying I endorse everything, or even that I have reached a conclusion, but I feel that we should be open and recognize our own religious prejudices.
For example, I know his appearance and tattoos are distracting to me. But is it because of my preferences and background? Could it be that God is using someone who looks just like that to spread grace to the hearers where they are at? For myself, I have to take that into consideration and I am still considering it.