Just curious--

[EagerBeaver]

I think Gerald sounds like a good voice of reason, and I chose the option that his approach negates his message simply based on the fact that if he continues this way, it could be hazardous to his health, rendering him unable to post and therefore negating his message.

[Jennifer Smith]

However, he is often stinking hilarious, even when he intends to be very serious. So for that very reason, I read more of his diatribes than I would of someone else.:

Bingo. Humor with serious critical thinking is what some pay to listen to.

Well, it works for Dennis Miller, anyway!

And Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, and, wait a minute, didn't Bro. Fisher do that a time or two during Assemblies?

Jeff, I've been here a long time, and I care about Gerald, too. We even named our cat after him when we lived in Florida..(He was a vicious little bugger.) You compared him to Jesus in the temple with the money changers, and to our GO. But Bro. Fisher was always a gentleman, and Jesus was not chastising believers, but thieves. Gerald makes his attacks personal towards sincere people on Jude2 who are attempting to converse with him about things of God. Has he ever once apologized for his over-the-line personal comments, even when publicly chastised? No.. but if I am wrong, I will stand corrected.

I care about Gerald, too. I am just tired of being bullied, intimidated, and told what to believe before I am able to have the chance to evaluate it for myself- by a sarcastic, personal attack- no, I'm sorry, that doesn't resemble Jesus.

[MrDanger]

I care about Gerald, too. I am just tired of being bullied, intimidated, and told what to believe before I am able to have the chance to evaluate it for myself- by a sarcastic, personal attack- no, I'm sorry, that doesn't resemble Jesus.

I do believe I have seen Gerald apologize. If I'm incorrect, I apologize.

Your last paragraph is very misleading. For what seems like two weeks, there was open questions about this, including many on here stating they hoped this wasn't another scam. True hope that this was real. When we started watching (in my case, a service) and researching, we found out our worst fears were true. It took place over several weeks.

No one jumped anyone. Everyone questioned together. I'm sorry if you missed out on that, but don't be mislead to act like this is the first time it was questioned and then Gerald went on the war path. If you missed out on the discussion, the acknowledge you missed it.

[Jennifer Smith]

I care about Gerald, too. I am just tired of being bullied, intimidated, and told what to believe before I am able to have the chance to evaluate it for myself- by a sarcastic, personal attack- no, I'm sorry, that doesn't resemble Jesus.

I do believe I have seen Gerald apologize. If I'm incorrect, I apologize.

Your last paragraph is very misleading. For what seems like two weeks, there was open questions about this, including many on here stating they hoped this wasn't another scam. True hope that this was real. When we started watching (in my case, a service) and researching, we found out our worst fears were true. It took place over several weeks.

No one jumped anyone. Everyone questioned together. I'm sorry if you missed out on that, but don't be mislead to act like this is the first time it was questioned and then Gerald went on the war path. If you missed out on the discussion, the acknowledge you missed it.

I was referring to a long history of being told what to believe from Gerald, not to just this past two weeks, in which you may note if you care to peek at my postings history that I have indeed "been around." I have read many of the Bentley posts. I have simply tired of the rhetoric and the intimidating, "how dare you believe in something" attitude. Gerald mocks something that others believe. Did you miss the thread previous, now in the vault, in which paul was the continual target of his assault? Paul is a man of God, with honest and sincere intentions, so how is that righteous? Or does that compare to Jesus in the temple with the money changers?

[Full Quiver]

Preach on Gerald, you son of the devil you!

Remember and be prepared, Jesus and the prophets cried out, warned, and confronted just as you are doing and they were crucified, stoned, and sawn usunder. I know that will not scare you away from your message and I don't intend it to be. Probably it is meant more for those that are offended because it was just that crowd that did the slaying of the prophets of God and of the Son of God. They will do what they will do I am sure. So carry on for the Gospel's sake and God speed my friend.

[pastorables]

For what seems like two weeks, there was open questions about this, including many on here stating they hoped this wasn't another scam. True hope that this was real. When we started watching (in my case, a service) and researching, we found out our worst fears were true.

Jeff,

Are you saying that the entire crusade/event is false? I would disagree with that, even though I've seen the wildfire and abhor it. I've been in my share of assemblies, youth camp services, and local services for that matter where wildfire was present but didn't keep God from moving and receiving glory. I am not as familiar with Lakeland as Brownsville, but the same kind of rejection was cast by some against the latter. I know for a fact that God did some tremendous things (some for me personally) during the Brownsville revival, even though every leader and/or individual may not have been working in the Spirit of God.

Blessings,
Richie

[Pastor Gary]

Are you saying that the entire crusade/event is false?

You didn't ask me, but my response would be "Yes."

The applicable Biblical principle is, I think, the principle of good foundations -- found in Matthew 7:24-26 and 1 Corinthians 3:11-13.

One cannot build a solid, scriptural house that will stand the ravages of the storm on any other foundation than CHRIST. What we are experiencing at Lakeland and elsewhere is a Christless Pentecost, infused with mysticism, gnosticism, new age claptrap, pseudo-intoxication, hucksterism, showmanship and disdain for anyone with the thimbleful of spiritual discernment it takes to see that it is a mile wide but a millimeter deep.

[Gerald Creasy]

You didn't ask me, but my response would be "Yes."

The applicable Biblical principle is, I think, the principle of good foundations -- found in Matthew 7:24-26 and 1 Corinthians 3:11-13.

One cannot build a solid, scriptural house that will stand the ravages of the storm on any other foundation than CHRIST. What we are experiencing at Lakeland and elsewhere is a Christless Pentecost, infused with mysticism, gnosticism, new age claptrap, pseudo-intoxication, hucksterism, showmanship and disdain for anyone with the thimbleful of spiritual discernment it takes to see that it is a mile wide but a millimeter deep.

I have refrained from posting on this thread because of it's nature but I would like to say that seeing this is a balm to my soul.

Pastor Gary I wish we had a hundred of you.

Well, Except when you reign me in.

[pastorables]

One cannot build a solid, scriptural house that will stand the ravages of the storm on any other foundation than CHRIST. What we are experiencing at Lakeland and elsewhere is a Christless Pentecost, infused with mysticism, gnosticism, new age claptrap, pseudo-intoxication, hucksterism, showmanship and disdain for anyone with the thimbleful of spiritual discernment it takes to see that it is a mile wide but a millimeter deep.

Pastor Gary,

You have just described many years of foundation that I've witnessed within the Church of God of Prophecy. I see no difference. If you believe that no one has been saved, healed, blessed, changed, or delivered at Lakeland then what of my heritage?

I respect your opinion, but do not embrace the same assessment. I believe that God in his sovereign grace reaches for those who reach for him, regardless of the forum.

Sincerely,
Richie

[paul]

reminds me of an old Sonny and Cher song.

" and the beat goes on " and on and on and on and on. These meetings are viewd as Christless....most pentecostal churches are void of any power and manifestaions....and the beat goes on

sould are dying, while we are quibbeling...and the beat goes on and on

We judge them they judge us...and the beat goe on

Never hear anyone say they care for these heritics, or pray the might see the light, and the beat goes on.

Self righeoutness abounds and the beat goes on

[Pastor Gary]

You have just described many years of foundation that I've witnessed within the Church of God of Prophecy. I see no difference. If you believe that no one has been saved, healed, blessed, changed, or delivered at Lakeland then what of my heritage?

Didn't you recently begin to attend a NO-COGOP church?

[Poimen]

Are you saying that the entire crusade/event is false?

You didn't ask me, but my response would be "Yes."

The applicable Biblical principle is, I think, the principle of good foundations -- found in Matthew 7:24-26 and 1 Corinthians 3:11-13.

One cannot build a solid, scriptural house that will stand the ravages of the storm on any other foundation than CHRIST. What we are experiencing at Lakeland and elsewhere is a Christless Pentecost, infused with mysticism, gnosticism, new age claptrap, pseudo-intoxication, hucksterism, showmanship and disdain for anyone with the thimbleful of spiritual discernment it takes to see that it is a mile wide but a millimeter deep.

Amen!

[Full Quiver]

Bravo Gary!

Richie, did AJ or MA or DH or any other high profile CoGoP minister declare that they were both demon possessed and Holy Ghost filled at the same time. I think not, no, I know not and therefore you are comparing apples with oranges. Devils ALWAYS tell off on themselves; they cannot keep quiet except Jesus tell them to. Preach on Gerald!


Paul, based on your theory, as well as pastorables, the sorcerer that wanted to purchase the baptism of the Holy Ghost should have had his desire granted. See even if he continued his witchcraft souls could have been saved thus Christ would have been lifted up. The Apostles rebuked this evil man and now some are saying God bless this same spirit. SHAMEFUL!

Might I add that I'd rather have a dry service than a demon run service.

[Gerald Creasy]

Paul, based on your theory, as well as pastorables, the sorcerer that wanted to purchase the baptism of the Holy Ghost should have had his desire granted. See even if he continued his witchcraft souls could have been saved thus Christ would have been lifted up. The Apostles rebuked this evil man and now some are saying God bless this same spirit. SHAMEFUL!

Might I add that I'd rather have a dry service than a demon run service.

This is consistent behavior FQ. ALL of WOF is based upon witchcraft ideology: The Faith of the believer is more important than the divinity of GOd and even that divinity of God is SUBJECT to the rules of faith.

THAT is why they can "name and claim" they THINK they've got God by the "short and curlys" and can make him do whatever they want.

[pastorables]

You have just described many years of foundation that I've witnessed within the Church of God of Prophecy. I see no difference. If you believe that no one has been saved, healed, blessed, changed, or delivered at Lakeland then what of my heritage?

Didn't you recently begin to attend a NO-COGOP church?

Pastor Gary,

And your point?

The church I attend was started with around 50 CoGoP members who needed to follow God's direction. Since that time, probably an additional 40 from CoGoP have joined. These are not actual numbers, but pretty good guesses.

Your question skirts my point all-together. I love my heritage and may return one day. That isn't the issue here.

My point was regarding whether or not people can be healed, saved, or delivered by the Lord's hand in the midst of much flesh? You didn't answer. I think they can. Just as people have been delivered while someone shouted and jerked draped in a flag, people are being delivered in Lakeland while people shout and jerk, etc. What's the difference? Either both are fleshly? Both are spiritual? or Are you saying that flags are more spiritual?

The bottom line is the same for me. I don't have to support the messenger or the wildfire to see the truth being worked in honest hearted seekers of God.

Blessings,
pa