Are they still the same?

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Are they still the same?

Postby TW » June 1st, 2008, 9:30 am

Something to ponder:

Ge 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

This is not a thread about doctrinal issues, or what happened to the dinosaurs, et al.

The question is: "Believing that God created all the living creatures upon the earth, are those creatures basically the same today as they were on the day of their initial creation?"


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Postby Steve » June 1st, 2008, 9:44 am

I believe that "kind" means same type. I believe that God created each type with the capacity to change within that kind to adapt to surroundings. This is different from molecules to man evolution.

Foxes, wolves, pugs, dalmations, hyenas and dingos are all of the dog "kind", for example. They were created with the genetic information to be able to change or "evolve" if you will into these forms, but they all retain their "dogness". There never has been, either observed in this world or conclusively found in the fossil record, a half dog half cat or any such thing.

One "kind" can and does change within the kind, but one kind does not morph or evolve into another kind.

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Postby Gerald Creasy » June 1st, 2008, 10:47 am

Could not this question be answered with a picture of a chiuahua and a picture of a Great Dane?

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Postby Steve » June 1st, 2008, 4:16 pm

They are still both dogs, and still (theoretically) able to breed!

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Postby dolfan » June 1st, 2008, 6:35 pm

I think the gene pool has recombined in so many ways to make so many changes and that it was all part of the Plan. The sheer genius of inventing a mechanism (genes) that could, simply by connecting and reconnecting over generations, produce such variety just kinds of overwhelming to the point of accepting it without wonder. That, to me at least, is sad.
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Postby RamboPreacher » June 3rd, 2008, 3:29 am

kind is the categorization.
kind does not equate "species".
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Re: Are they still the same?

Postby Jamais Vu » June 3rd, 2008, 3:41 am

TW wrote:"Believing that God created all the living creatures upon the earth, are those creatures basically the same today as they were on the day of their initial creation?"

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No, then we would all be jewish. And i dont believe God has a problem with interracial relatoinships......although im sure some people do.

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Postby Pastor Bill » June 3rd, 2008, 3:43 am

In my thoughts we have to also understand that even the concept of species is not completely easy to understand. I was taught in College Science classes that dogs were the same species because they could breed together and produce viable offspring, but then wolves are considered a different species, but the same could be said with them and dogs.

I think God has designed life with more diversity, and we try to categorize things to the point that the only way some scientist can understand it is to jump to Macro-evolution.

Micro-evolution (which creationists would call adaption) is proven, animals adapt to their environment, and change over time, it's a wonderful expression of God's work, that doesn't mean it all evolved from single celled organisms, (Macro-evolution) it just shows that God creates diversity and expects growth. Sometimes we get so afraid of Macro-evolution and it's denial of God/creation that we push away from all that He has done in this.
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