Theory(what do you think?)

[Mike Vande]

I have begun to wonder if the whole debate regarding abortion is getting any higher than the local church these days. I suspect that neither side of the aisle in congress is willing to do anything that upsets the apple cart. The liberals aren't going to push for much more because they don't have to, and if the Republicans were to really make any changes that would mean the end of Roe V Wade, they risk losing a bigt chucnk of their base. Maybe it doesn't matter anymore who you vote for, nothing about the abortion issue is gonna change.

[one love]

I dont think abortion will change at all. Sadly but it will not.
There are so many thing that may though if we lose the election and enough seats to give the senate 60 majority that is all it would take and they can have every issue pass through.

[TW]

Mike I have the greatest respect for you, and you have some valid points here. Congress will not make any effectual changes in Roe vs Wade, and for the very reasons that you noted. That change can only occur through the Courts, and as long as the liberals can block Federal Judgeships for conservative Judges it won't happen there. Your statement:

Maybe it doesn't matter anymore who you vote for, nothing about the abortion issue is gonna change.

bothers me some on a couple of points. While our votes may not have an immediate and direct effect upon R vs W, they can and do have an effect on who gets appointed to those Judgeships. The other thing that bothered me was that you, in your post at least, have tied your vote exclusively to the abortion issue. This is a politically and spiritually myopic view. There are other issues that bear upon our spiritual lives as well as abortion, such as the steady degradation of our ability to publicly proclaim our religious beliefs. Once this ability is totally lost you will not be able to even speak out against abortion or any other moral issue.


TW

[Full Quiver]

Abortion and people's views on abortion WILL change when and ONLY when the children of God get on message, the same message, and take the Gospel to our nation. Politics make people sick and do not change men's hearts.

[Mike Vande]

Congress was never gonna do anyting that could affect Roe V Wade, it was always up to the courts. But, we've had 8 years of conservative leasership in government, and no appointments to the bench that would make any difference. We even had four years of a conservative congress and presidency, and still didn't get it done. My point is that politics are not the answer to an immoral country. We were fed that lie by well-meaning idiots who had no idea what thyy were talking about, and who should have. Voting is a responsibility, one that cannot be denied by any serious Christian. Bu6t Full Quiver is rigbt, nothing will change until we change society one life at a time. Policy and law are means of force to make people do things they should but don't want to, or keep them from doing things they want to that they shouldn't. The problem is that laws can been repealed and policy always changes, and all based on what the biggest mob says. What has to happen is a change in what people believe is right, and that is up to us. It will not be accomplished in Washington DC.

As far as the other hot button issues(gay rights, prayer in schools, the marginalization of Christians), they are all tied to abortion. IF that one stays, they all stay. If that one goes, they will all go, eventually.

[Full Quiver]

publicly proclaim our religious beliefs.

wondering, how often do you publicly proclaim the Word of God and how often have you been denied that right and by whom?

[one love]

I could be wrong here but did we have a 60 seat majoirty I dont think so. I know we had the house and senate but I dont think we ever had it where we did not need at least a few dem. votes though I could be wrong.