Joyce Meyers 23,000$ Luxury Item and WOF excesses

[Gerald Creasy]

I'm not a Joyce Meyer fan but giving credit, being giving something is a big difference from buying something. Seem like mud in alot of our faces. Oh me. Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!

So is being involved in a cult, Old Culter,

[MacUser]

Hey owning things over $23,000+ isn't a sin!



Personally, I really want a Microbus and that is worth waaaaay more than that tiny sum these days.

If someone gave me one out of the blue. I would keep it and cherish it!

[oletimer]

Gerald Creasy Posted:

oletimer wrote:
I'm not a Joyce Meyer fan but giving credit, being giving something is a big difference from buying something. Seem like mud in alot of our faces. Oh me. Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!

So is being involved in a cult, Old Culter,

You should know, being a whole cult in your own self .

[one love]

I'm not a Joyce Meyer fan but giving credit, being giving something is a big difference from buying something. Seem like mud in alot of our faces. Oh me. Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!

So is being involved in a cult, Old Culter,

Gerald is this all you can go back to when someone says something, just insults? calling him "old culter" is just disrespectful. He is a good man.
For someone who says COGOP was to judgemental this is very judgemental. Now you know how I feel about these prosperity preachers, I understand your frustration however it is becoming cliche to hear you say TCOG is a "cult" yet if the power of God we have been feeling in our services is a cult to you then I guess I will take it as a compliment. No disrespect here I think we understand eachother really well but give that a rest. IT wasnt a toilet seat and it was donated big deal, mis information but as I have said it still does not change the overall point.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald is this all you can go back to when someone says something, just insults? calling him "old culter" is just disrespectful. He is a good man.
For someone who says COGOP was to judgemental this is very judgemental. Now you know how I feel about these prosperity preachers, I understand your frustration however it is becoming cliche to hear you say TCOG is a "cult" yet if the power of God we have been feeling in our services is a cult to you then I guess I will take it as a compliment. No disrespect here I think we understand eachother really well but give that a rest. IT wasnt a toilet seat and it was donated big deal, mis information but as I have said it still does not change the overall point.

Brother I am not a Political insulter. I do not couch my insults with vague language.

Because I believed a newsreport your "good man" wrote:
"Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!"

So because my source was flawed the "Old Culter " calls me ignorant.

And then PRETENDS to say I am having difficulty with what? what is the hard pill when I have admitted the source was wrong but still find fault with a ministry having a luxury anything??

I'll be my "own cult" because I fear no man, don't revere Tomlinsons socks and if something is Biblicly inept I wont swallow it for peace.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald is this all you can go back to when someone says something, just insults? calling him "old culter" is just disrespectful. He is a good man.
For someone who says COGOP was to judgemental this is very judgemental. Now you know how I feel about these prosperity preachers, I understand your frustration however it is becoming cliche to hear you say TCOG is a "cult" yet if the power of God we have been feeling in our services is a cult to you then I guess I will take it as a compliment. No disrespect here I think we understand eachother really well but give that a rest. IT wasnt a toilet seat and it was donated big deal, mis information but as I have said it still does not change the overall point.

Your "good man" BEGAN the insults by untruthfully calling me IGNORANT and deceptively claiming I was swallowing a "hard pill".

His deviousness was couched in vague language.

I do not deal that way.

[oletimer]

Gerald Creasy:
Your "good man" BEGAN the insults by untruthfully calling me IGNORANT and deceptively claiming I was swallowing a "hard pill".

His deviousness was couched in vague language.

I do not deal that way.

oletimer Posted:

It was an antique donated to her ministry specifically to sit in the lobby of her office.

I'm not a Joyce Meyer fan but giving credit, being giving something is a big difference from buying something. Seem like mud in alot of our faces. Oh me. Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!

Gerald Creasy, what I said was

"Seem like mud in alot of our faces."

don't see your nor anyone else name own it. Rather I feel like a lot of us fell for it. Something that we don't need to do. Even though I don't care for her ministry, I still don't need to be guilty of being a part of slander. "Oh me." was what I ended that sentence with. Now if you feel guilty and want blame every one else with name calling, well thats you. I should not have called you a one man cult, that was not right of me. From now on I will try to keep thoughts like that to my self and just think it.

Gerald Creasy Posted

oletimer wrote:
I'm not a Joyce Meyer fan but giving credit, being giving something is a big difference from buying something. Seem like mud in alot of our faces. Oh me. Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!

Gerald wrote:
So is being involved in a cult, Old Culter,

Wouldn't know, not in one. Just because you call it one doesn't meant it is one. I will rather stand before God on judgement day with what I believe, then with some of the stuff that you put out. Calling people names that don't believe you or agree with you is not going to make you right, no more then it will make me nor anyone else wrong.

[Mike Vande]

uh guys, a "commode" of the sort the article speaks about is a large, fancy bathroom cabinet with a sink in it, not a toilet. Not that it isn't still a ridiculous waste of money, but I think it does make a difference in viewing how the omney was spont if you see it as an item for washing hands and face rather than where she and her husband urinate & efecate.

[dawgs10]

i think alot of the fingers being pointed to joyce and others like her could be compared to something that may be found in a toilet. i hope my ministry gets big enough for gerald to attack me one day. it seems that his disdain to some is an endorsement to others.

[Gerald Creasy]

i think alot of the fingers being pointed to joyce and others like her could be compared to something that may be found in a toilet. i hope my ministry gets big enough for gerald to attack me one day. it seems that his disdain to some is an endorsement to others.

Indeed Dawgs?

So are you telling us you EMBRACE the WOF heresy as well?

Like Joyce, Do you think YOU have Gods creative power in YOUR fleshly tounge??

Like Joyce, do you think that the SAlvation experience is NOT complete UNLESS you belive Jesus was tortured by DEMONS IN HELL???

And you think POINTING these nutty things out is worthy of being compared to a turd??

There is no more telling an indication of the sad and corrupt state of American Christianity and it's ministers, that they refuse to defend basic Christian principles, embrace occultic WOF themes, AND EVEN ASPIRE TO BE SUCCESSFUL in doing so.

[oletimer]

Mike Vande Posted:
uh guys, a "commode" of the sort the article speaks about is a large, fancy bathroom cabinet with a sink in it, not a toilet. Not that it isn't still a ridiculous waste of money, but I think it does make a difference in viewing how the omney was spont if you see it as an item for washing hands and face rather than where she and her husband urinate & efecate.

It was an antique donated to her ministry specifically to sit in the lobby of her office.

dawgs10 Posted:

i think alot of the fingers being pointed to joyce and others like her could be compared to something that may be found in a toilet. i hope my ministry gets big enough for gerald to attack me one day. it seems that his disdain to some is an endorsement to others.

dawgs10; look like you made it and quicker then you think.

[Gerald Creasy]

I'll puit the same questions to you, Old Culter.

[pastorables]

Gerald,

I have seen Joyce Meyer's offices from the outside and they aren't really anything grand. As a matter of fact, COGOP Headquarters look better in my opinion. But then again, it's not about competition is it?!

As for luxury items, my wife and I were once given an antique chifforobe while we were in full time ministry. It was worth $1500 ten years ago, and likely more now. Comparing salaries in relationship to size of ministry, a $1500 chifforobe in my possession could be considered as extravagant as Joyce's commode.

I have quit judging others with regard to earthly possessions. I once (years ago) pointed fingers at the automobiles of State Overseers, until I looked down upon my $250 exotic boots. We often judge subjectively. Only God judges with absolute fairness in these types of none essential issues.

Still blessed,
pa

[paul]

Appears that other are making Gerald's list.....I don't feel so lonely anymore. This is not really pointed to Gerald., but rather a statement. I am not asking anyone to agree with me, doesn't matter.

For myself there is a simple rule of Faith: the only reality God recognises is His Word. What He says is, is; what He says is not, is not.

God does not bend His word to suit the circumstances ( mine or Gerald's or anyone's ), He compels the circumstances, the entire universe and it conforms to His word.

Abraham recognized this and aligned himself with it, Stood fast on the Word of God, did not consider the natural reality ( old body) And the promise became a reality.

If I recognize the absolute integrity and irrestible force of God's word, seek to discover that Word and then to proclaim it, knowing that the WORD has the same creative power when I speak it.

I/m not debating this, it is my conviction and I boldly declare the WORD of GOD and speak healing, deliverence, restoration as I understand the WORD OF GOD. Some say I am nameing and claiming it. I prefer to see myself as making a declaration of the Word Of God and Its power and not being given to the circumstances around me.

Be blessed......I am on my way to the mission field for a few weeks.

[Full Quiver]

There is no more telling an indication of the sad and corrupt state of American Christianity and it's ministers,

reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw just today

it said we like your Christ
but we hate you Christians
because you are nothing like Him

It was a Wiccan sticker