Supreme Court rejects death penalty for raping children

[one love]

There is probably no need for a death penalty for child rapists... the fate they are likely to suffer in prison may be worse than death.

There is an unwritten code among the incarcerated, and people who molest or rape children are lower than the bottom of the food chain. The things that are done to them by the other inmates can not be posted here.

true and most them will be killed as soon as one finds out they are a child molester, however some prisons but htem in solitary confinement to protect them.

BTW virginia is a death penalty state and very hard on crime, the commonwealth makes othe states crime laws look like slaps on the wrist

[cndlou]

Thank you Chris! That is the first time I have ever heard anyone actually say to pray for these people... You see... I am one that has a brother that is prison for this very thing...and I would hope someone would reach out to him instead of condeming him over and over and over and over... He does have a soul that will be lost (as would we all) if he doesn't find the one true God that we all proclaim to be serving...

[Jamais Vu]

You know what my friend I take GREAT OFFENSE at the implication that my brother would just "stand by" while this EXTREMELY VIOLENT offense was happening to his children. That is a low blow brother!!! All because he wouldn't run someone up with barbed wire and rip there skin from there bones and drink up there blood while they lay dieing face down in the mud.
MY BROTHER IS AS REAL A FATHER AND MAN THAN ANYONE I KNOW!!! And yes I am yelling!

If your brother is a real father like you just stated, than OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HIM. I never implicated anyone, nor did i mention anything about your brother hanging someone blah blah blah. I was joking about VA, and i was making a broad statement about people who think they could just do nothing but pray. If that is not you, then no need to be offended.

[Jamais Vu]

BTW virginia is a death penalty state and very hard on crime, the commonwealth makes othe states crime laws look like slaps on the wrist

i know i know, VA has got to be the hardest state to drive through with their WAYYYYY strict traffic laws. You cant drive 5 miles on the interstate without seeing highway patrol there.

[one love]

Thank you Chris! That is the first time I have ever heard anyone actually say to pray for these people... You see... I am one that has a brother that is prison for this very thing...and I would hope someone would reach out to him instead of condeming him over and over and over and over... He does have a soul that will be lost (as would we all) if he doesn't find the one true God that we all proclaim to be serving...

I think there has been a misunderstanding here the question or post was refering to what the law is doing not us. some put there opinion in but this is a reflection of the government. Yes we are to forgive everyone and reach out to those in prison but people are talking about if someone raped there children a little different, yes we still would have to forgive but that does not mean that they should change there view of the law.

I was in a lot of fights, rumbles with gun shots etc... I was jumped by a huge group of people when i was 18 and almost died. Now later in life i have issues with that event. When I see large groups of people etc. I almost always have a gun with me because If I ever was jumped now I would be paralyzed.
I had to forgive them all in my heart when i got saved and it was not easy but I had to....... But that was not my child it was me, big difference.

[one love]

BTW virginia is a death penalty state and very hard on crime, the commonwealth makes othe states crime laws look like slaps on the wrist

i know i know, VA has got to be the hardest state to drive through with their WAYYYYY strict traffic laws. You cant drive 5 miles on the interstate without seeing highway patrol there.

that is pretty funny but many areas true. When you hit the seven cities of hampton roads (va beach. norfolk etc.) you see everyones speed increase when there isnt traffic

[DeWayneTN]

The first time I drove through VA, I was told strictly that if I had a radar detector, to make sure it wasn't visible because police would pull you over for that and confiscate it. So I remember it being a tough state to drive through.

[dolfan]

This decision, this issue, touches close to most of us in one way or another. We all probably know either or both a victim and/or perpetrator. We don't make these statements lightly about the ultimate fates of the guilty. We also don't make them in a vacuum from God's requirements of us.

Jesus said that whoever hurts one of these little ones, it would be better for him that he had a millstone (a large, heavy, grinding stone) tied around his neck and be thrown to the water's bottom. In other words, according to Jesus, tie a rock around their neck and let them sink head-first, fighting every inch of their way through the water as they sink, and drown them. Did he say to actually do that? No, not in so many words.

But, consider what He said about Judas in Mark 14:21 -- "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born." Jesus didn't kill him, and the apostles didn't gang up on him and lynch him. But, by the time Judas dies, the biblical authors who mention it uses no terms of regret, no wistful backward glances of the Judas-that-might-have-been. I can almost see Matthew and Luke figuratively dusting off their hands after they write the passages concerning Judas' death.

My point is this: The pleasure in vanquishing such evil as that done by a child rapist or child molester is genuine and not against God's ways. It isn't tidy, it isn't pretty, it isn't something you can rally the crowd with on Sunday morning. It is, however, a true fact of life that harming children, offending little ones (in any number of ways) is something that God deemed important enough to mention in the Biblical record. And, He wasn't milquetoast about it.

If I have to err in one direction or another, I'm going to err on the side of those whom Jesus specifically classified as worthy of such protection from harm that anyone who crossed that line should die a horrible death. If that makes me a bad guy, not Christ-like in someone's estimation, or somehow lacking in sympathy, go tell it to the abused kid. Tell it to the therapeutic foster parents who try to help them. The social workers. The counsellors. Try and tell them that they are not being very Christlike as they ruminate over the pure evil of someone doing the unspeakable (but undeniably real) ruin of these innocent little babies. In my own estimation, an abortionist is less culpable than a child rapist who consigns a child's life to unimaginable-to-most-of-us consequences, inescapable pain and all for the payoff of a few seconds of self-pleasure. If that doesn't make you want to throw up on them and then do them bodily harm, then I guess you can pat yourself on the back for being more like Jesus than I am.

[Pastor Chip]

If I have to err in one direction or another, I'm going to err on the side of those whom Jesus specifically classified as worthy of such protection from harm that anyone who crossed that line should die a horrible death. If that makes me a bad guy, not Christ-like in someone's estimation, or somehow lacking in sympathy, go tell it to the abused kid. Tell it to the therapeutic foster parents who try to help them. The social workers. The counsellors. Try and tell them that they are not being very Christlike as they ruminate over the pure evil of someone doing the unspeakable (but undeniably real) ruin of these innocent little babies. In my own estimation, an abortionist is less culpable than a child rapist who consigns a child's life to unimaginable-to-most-of-us consequences, inescapable pain and all for the payoff of a few seconds of self-pleasure. If that doesn't make you want to throw up on them and then do them bodily harm, then I guess you can pat yourself on the back for being more like Jesus than I am.

Very well stated. I couldn't agree more!

[RamboPreacher]

This decision, this issue, touches close to most of us in one way or another. We all probably know either or both a victim and/or perpetrator. We don't make these statements lightly about the ultimate fates of the guilty. We also don't make them in a vacuum from God's requirements of us.

Jesus said that whoever hurts one of these little ones, it would be better for him that he had a millstone (a large, heavy, grinding stone) tied around his neck and be thrown to the water's bottom. In other words, according to Jesus, tie a rock around their neck and let them sink head-first, fighting every inch of their way through the water as they sink, and drown them. Did he say to actually do that? No, not in so many words.

But, consider what He said about Judas in Mark 14:21 -- "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born." Jesus didn't kill him, and the apostles didn't gang up on him and lynch him. But, by the time Judas dies, the biblical authors who mention it uses no terms of regret, no wistful backward glances of the Judas-that-might-have-been. I can almost see Matthew and Luke figuratively dusting off their hands after they write the passages concerning Judas' death.

My point is this: The pleasure in vanquishing such evil as that done by a child rapist or child molester is genuine and not against God's ways. It isn't tidy, it isn't pretty, it isn't something you can rally the crowd with on Sunday morning. It is, however, a true fact of life that harming children, offending little ones (in any number of ways) is something that God deemed important enough to mention in the Biblical record. And, He wasn't milquetoast about it.

If I have to err in one direction or another, I'm going to err on the side of those whom Jesus specifically classified as worthy of such protection from harm that anyone who crossed that line should die a horrible death. If that makes me a bad guy, not Christ-like in someone's estimation, or somehow lacking in sympathy, go tell it to the abused kid. Tell it to the therapeutic foster parents who try to help them. The social workers. The counsellors. Try and tell them that they are not being very Christlike as they ruminate over the pure evil of someone doing the unspeakable (but undeniably real) ruin of these innocent little babies. In my own estimation, an abortionist is less culpable than a child rapist who consigns a child's life to unimaginable-to-most-of-us consequences, inescapable pain and all for the payoff of a few seconds of self-pleasure. If that doesn't make you want to throw up on them and then do them bodily harm, then I guess you can pat yourself on the back for being more like Jesus than I am.

wow, great post
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[dolfan]

To amend the Constitution in the usual way, two-thirds of both houses of Congress must approve the amendment, and three-fourths of the states must approve it by simple majority in their legislatures.

Although a long shot at best, the simplest way to end-run the decision from the Supreme Court this week would be to amend the 8th amendment by adding this sentence on the end of it: "The methods of imposition and execution of the death penalty shall be neither cruelly nor unusually performed. The several States shall finally determine in each instance whether an offense is sufficiently heinous to warrant the imposition and execution of the penalty of death; neither Congress nor any Court of the United States shall make any law or decision which shall limit or impede the authority of the several States in regard to such determination."

If I'm a Senator, I'm going to hold up and stall every piece of legislation with every possible move I can make until an amendment of this sort passes both houses of Congress.

I urge you to send an email to your Senators and Congressmen asking them to adopt similar language in a proposed amendment to the Constitution, and to take the most extreme actions necessary to ensure its passage.

[Shellie]

dolfan,

[soulsearcher]

Agreed. One of the greater posts on the Jude2 forum, dolfan.

[TW]

This decision, this issue, touches close to most of us in one way or another. We all probably know either or both a victim and/or perpetrator. We don't make these statements lightly about the ultimate fates of the guilty. We also don't make them in a vacuum from God's requirements of us.

Jesus said that whoever hurts one of these little ones, it would be better for him that he had a millstone (a large, heavy, grinding stone) tied around his neck and be thrown to the water's bottom. In other words, according to Jesus, tie a rock around their neck and let them sink head-first, fighting every inch of their way through the water as they sink, and drown them. Did he say to actually do that? No, not in so many words.

But, consider what He said about Judas in Mark 14:21 -- "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born." Jesus didn't kill him, and the apostles didn't gang up on him and lynch him. But, by the time Judas dies, the biblical authors who mention it uses no terms of regret, no wistful backward glances of the Judas-that-might-have-been. I can almost see Matthew and Luke figuratively dusting off their hands after they write the passages concerning Judas' death.

My point is this: The pleasure in vanquishing such evil as that done by a child rapist or child molester is genuine and not against God's ways. It isn't tidy, it isn't pretty, it isn't something you can rally the crowd with on Sunday morning. It is, however, a true fact of life that harming children, offending little ones (in any number of ways) is something that God deemed important enough to mention in the Biblical record. And, He wasn't milquetoast about it.

If I have to err in one direction or another, I'm going to err on the side of those whom Jesus specifically classified as worthy of such protection from harm that anyone who crossed that line should die a horrible death. If that makes me a bad guy, not Christ-like in someone's estimation, or somehow lacking in sympathy, go tell it to the abused kid. Tell it to the therapeutic foster parents who try to help them. The social workers. The counsellors. Try and tell them that they are not being very Christlike as they ruminate over the pure evil of someone doing the unspeakable (but undeniably real) ruin of these innocent little babies. In my own estimation, an abortionist is less culpable than a child rapist who consigns a child's life to unimaginable-to-most-of-us consequences, inescapable pain and all for the payoff of a few seconds of self-pleasure. If that doesn't make you want to throw up on them and then do them bodily harm, then I guess you can pat yourself on the back for being more like Jesus than I am.

[Brian]

You know what my friend I take GREAT OFFENSE at the implication that my brother would just "stand by" while this EXTREMELY VIOLENT offense was happening to his children. That is a low blow brother!!! All because he wouldn't run someone up with barbed wire and rip there skin from there bones and drink up there blood while they lay dieing face down in the mud.
MY BROTHER IS AS REAL A FATHER AND MAN THAN ANYONE I KNOW!!! And yes I am yelling!

If your brother is a real father like you just stated, than OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HIM. I never implicated anyone, nor did i mention anything about your brother hanging someone blah blah blah. I was joking about VA, and i was making a broad statement about people who think they could just do nothing but pray. If that is not you, then no need to be offended.

There is no two ways about my friend, you were absolutely talking about him. You specifically called out VA (where he is at) as a place for child rapists to go. You specifically said that any father who would "just pray" about it is not much of a father. That is a direct reference to his statement that "christians should pray" for the victims AND the perpetrators.

Don't back off of it now. If you said it, stand by your statement.