Rocketown

[one love]

this is why I dont have any confidence in places like this. So many so called christian rock bands keep getting caught doing drugs etc.
Plus some of these places are perfect drawing gorunds for dealers, you may not think so but it is a way to get those involved with drugs that normally wouldnt, then they influence other s etc.
I am not saying all these places it is a general comment of some.
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Can you give me some names of such bands?

OK I am not a smoker, a drinker or use any curse words what so ever, however I am not sure we can say because someone says a word we don't agree with or because someone may drink from time to time or smokes from time to time does not mean that they are not Christians.

While I do think that these things should be done many people have a relationship with Christ and do these things, Dog the bounty hunter says he is a Christian and he talks like a sailor, they have went to bars (I assume they are drinking) they have talked about getting strippers. Jon and Kate, we have seen on here about how they go to an AOG, I saw on one of their shows they were drinking wine when they were out to eat with friends. I don't see someone smoking as any worst than "Self-medicating" with wine at dinner

I have not been to rockettown in years, so I don't know how it is now. BUT I do think all they can do is say "no smoking" on the inside of the building, They can only tell people to not use foul language.

I think they need to press charges, make this guy a registered sex offender, I would have him, his band, his manager and his record company in court for the losses they will suffer. On here alone people are calling into question how "Christian" the place is.

Yes I could it was a business associate I dealt with, I will not plaster his name here. He was in a big Christian rock band and left because as they praised God in there shows they were doing drugs back stage, this has happened many times with rock groups and Christian rappers. ALL no, and I know nothing of this place that is why I made my post the way I did and gave examples.

I am missing your point about dog the bounty hunter, surely since the dog curses , drinks and smokes and goes to strip clubs it is ok for all Just because some claim to be saved does not mean they are. I saw a pimp on TV that they did a documentary on and said he had prayer with all his "h..s" before they went on the street because you have to bring God with you
Hopefully Dog's pastor is not endorsing such things.
I am open about drinking, smoking and many other things being sin, I know many here disagree and I am ok with that. However if you have a club that is a Christian club and they smoke , drink, curse and expose themselves, I hate to say this but your clean club just became worse the most bars and clubs that don’t claim to be Christians.
If you want to witness live by example don’t allow things in attempt to get them there, should we not promote that you don’t need these things to have fun and with the Lord you can go with no desire for such.

I could have missed some of your point if so forgive me, but it did give me a reason to add something to it. Feel free to correct me

[TC]

I am missing your point about dog the bounty hunter, surely since the dog curses , drinks and smokes and goes to strip clubs it is ok for all Just because some claim to be saved does not mean they are. I saw a pimp on TV that they did a documentary on and said he had prayer with all his "h..s" before they went on the street because you have to bring God with you
Hopefully Dog's pastor is not endorsing such things.
I am open about drinking, smoking and many other things being sin, I know many here disagree and I am ok with that. However if you have a club that is a Christian club and they smoke , drink, curse and expose themselves, I hate to say this but your clean club just became worse the most bars and clubs that don’t claim to be Christians.
If you want to witness live by example don’t allow things in attempt to get them there, should we not promote that you don’t need these things to have fun and with the Lord you can go with no desire for such.

I could have missed some of your point if so forgive me, but it did give me a reason to add something to it. Feel free to correct me

OK I am not trying to cause trouble, but you said "so many so called Christians keep getting caught" Well you have said you know one and will not use his name. Well when I see "so many" and "keep getting caught" there must be more than just the one you don't want to mention. I don't know... My big music source now is Mr Hamby and you and him might know more than you are saying but I have not see much of it.

Like I said I am also against these issues, and you do as well BUT many people feel they are Christians, Claim to be Christians and do some if not all of these things. I don't know about the Dogs pastor but I know that MANY AOG people believe that Christians should not smoke, drink or cuss but they do not feel it is a sin. I know AOG pastors that drink every wine every night. That use real Wine in communion services. MAYBE you and I are more enlightened than these others, maybe we have a better relationship with Christ... I don't know. I will be honest I have been to Churches that have people standing outside smoking before and after Church. While it may cause some to question these peoples relationship, it has nothing to do with the Church. Should they say, Well you can't smoke at all and attend our services? is that not what Rocketown is doing. They do not allow smokers on the INSIDE

Rocketown should have a standard as to what they will allow inside their buildings but you can't stop what is done on the street. Would it be any different is someone was smoking as they were walking by?

But remember for years we could not chew gun, go to movies, wear shorts and hey I did all of these in the last 5 hours.

here some great lyrics someone wrote that I think is about as straight forward as it could get..

So many preachers
So many churches and denominations
Got their opinions and their documents
And statements and beliefs and sometimes
There's a miscommunication

And we complicate the truth
And convolute the story
But as far as I recall
I do believe it all

Chorus:
Comes down to a man dying on a cross
Saving the world
Rising from the dead
Doing what He said He would do
Loving everyone He saw
When it's said and done it all
Comes down to a man dying on a cross
Saving the world

It isn't a secret
And maybe I'm being simple minded
But it's about Jesus and a way, a truth, a life
That can change a heart and a soul forever
And we need to be reminded

It's the power of the blood
That brings us to redemption
We can rise above the fall
And the reason for it all

Repeat chorus

Bridge:
All the people beneath the steeple
Are just reaching
For the truth that can save a helpless soul
We wrestle with the mystery in the teaching
But the news is all good
I think that we should
Remember one thing.

[Jamais Vu]

The only difference in rockettown and the exit in(or any other live venue/bar), is that there is no bar. The bands can still bring their own booze and partake of it in the back. Ive been big time main stream heavy metal acts there. Look up "Mastadon".....they have played rockettown haha.....and rockettown is marketed to young kids. Although it should be the parent's job to check out what kind of bands you approve of, not rockettown's.

[Full Quiver]

Although it should be the parent's job to check out what kind of bands you approve of, not rockettown's.

When someone like Michael W. Smith owns a place then parents should be able to expect better. Either he no longer owns Rocketown or I thought wrong about him.

[DeWayneTN]

I think you are jumping to conclusions based on this incident. I know there are people doing youth ministry activities that I wouldn't necessarily do, but I don't know if the kids would crowd around to hear Petra and Whiteheart anymore - maybe church kids, but maybe they're trying to reach more than that.

I know there has to be a balance of meeting the needs of church kids and reaching the lost, but I think sometimes that can have a crippling effect on what we're able to do. I've stood outside a Marilyn Manson concert and talked to some of the people waiting to get in. Should that be a church youth group activity? Probably not.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that these guys are in the trenches of the ministry they feel called to do and to me, it's their call to make.

[DeWayneTN]

And one more thing, in reference to One Love, whom I respect as a brother in Christ. Surely you know as well as I do the frustration of getting painted with a broad brush. It's quite probable you do know some Christian singers who are not living the lifestyle but it has been my experience that most of them are genuine and working out their own salvation with fear and trembling.

I honestly think some of those "I heard" stories (and I've heard them, too) are co-opted and propagated by agendas of people who think the whole Christian rock scene is subtly Satanic because of the beats and guitar licks, which is such a ridiculous notion it's not really even worth discussing anymore.

[stevenson]

Because rocketown is not a christan forum.

If you go to their website and click on the annual report they claim to be christian and one of their purposes is to mentor kids in a christian way.

Ive been there several times, and ANYONE can play a show there

Not really. You have to send in a demo and jump thru some hoops but you probably could get a gig their. LOL!

Has anyone ever thought that maybe Michael W. Smith's christian standards are a little different then ours? That could be why he allows certain things to go on there. Now I know he would never allow the nudity but other things that we find offensive and non-christian like, he may not have a problem with.

[stevenson]

Rocketown Mission Statement: to create culturally relevant evironments that foster vital relationships between disenfranchised adolescents and Christian mentors in order to meet their social, physical an spiritual needs.

News article on event:http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8587459

[Jamais Vu]

Although it should be the parent's job to check out what kind of bands you approve of, not rockettown's.

When someone like Michael W. Smith owns a place then parents should be able to expect better. Either he no longer owns Rocketown or I thought wrong about him.

True......and thats the point of this thread. People should be able to expect better from there, but that is FAR from the truth. Im not sure if MWS still owns it, or doesnt know what gos on there, or just doesnt care.

But i DO KNOW that ive been there several times, and have not ONCE seen anything or anyone "ministering" in anyway. Not once has an employee came up to myself or my friends and said anything about faith or God. Not once have i even seen ANYTHING AT ALL that would translate in the simplest most vague form of ANY kind of christian influence. It is a non-alcoholic rock venue/skate park......i dont care what the website or mission statement says, it is like ANY other bar in nashville, just no booze.

[A2JGirl]

Rocketown Mission Statement: to create culturally relevant evironments that foster vital relationships between disenfranchised adolescents and Christian mentors in order to meet their social, physical an spiritual needs.

News article on event:http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8587459

Good article. I'm glad to see that they are going to improve their screening process, which is obviously lacking. That is one thing that the guy my husband worked with said, that if they don't want certain things then they need to take a closer look at the press kits.

I discovered that the bass player for the group associated with this event, is Mark Robertson. He was in Rich Mullins' Ragamuffin Band and later with a group called This Train that was on Pamplin. Though this recent group calls itself "gothic rockabilly," I wonder if they were doing a favor letting them play there, based on the guy's associations in the past, and were unpleasantly surprised.

[DeWayneTN]

Obviously there's some sort of content screening or protocol or else this singer would not have been rebelling against it.

[stevenson]

It's just a shame. It seems as though Rocketown is claiming to be a Christian Venue but then not living out it's claims.

[Dr. Ron]

Hey TC, I think I remember that song........lol

That was actually a number one song years ago..............

[stevenson]

Dr. Ron, you actually listen to the stuff written by that guy??? LOL!

I have the Clay Crosse cd with that song written by that, um, you know....lol!

[TC]

DR R... well i can't say I like everything the guy ever wrote (hey different strokes) but alot I do. I didn't know that was that much of a hit but I always like it. It has that 70's feel with the gtar riffs but I really love the words of that one song.

I am not sure if he ever recorded it anywhere but I remember one that he and Galen wrote, Mourners bench. Really good song.

Back to Rocketown. I know at one time I would put my thoughts of what a Christian does or does not do on everyone else. That is not my place, not my job. If someone says they have a relationship with God who am i to say it is not real. I have met Smitty a few times (long ago) and I am not sure how much he is still involved but I don't see him doing anything that would allow anyone to be lead astray or to be hurt. So while a very bad thing happened but I will give Smitty time to take care of it.