Todd Bentley Changes His Angel Story

[Gerald Creasy]

From Fresh Fire Ministry:

“Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life."

From Todd Bentleys Reality of the Supernatural World:

“A while ago, Bob Jones told me about an angel that helped birth the entire prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. The Lord had sent this angel to help nurture the prophetic ministry (and gift), at a time when it was being re-established in the modern-day church in North America.

“A few weeks after our conversation, I attended a church service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the meeting an angel glided in. As I stared wide-eyed at the angel, I heard the Lord tell me that this was the same angel that was involved with the prophetic movement in Kansas City. The angel floated a couple of inches off the floor emitting a brilliant light and colors. He appeared young–about 22 years old–but old at the same time. It was as though he carried the wisdom, virtue, and grace of Proverbs 31"

I told you this idiot was a liar.

[A2JGirl]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as against Todd Bentley's methods as you are, but I honestly don't see how he is lying here. The facts are the same, the story is just condensed in the second account, but not radically different. Unless I'm missing something? Please correct me.

[RuSKY]

From Fresh Fire Ministry:

“Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She[/b] floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when [b]she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life."

From Todd Bentleys Reality of the Supernatural World:

“A while ago, Bob Jones told me about an angel that helped birth the entire prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. The Lord had sent this angel to help nurture the prophetic ministry (and gift), at a time when it was being re-established in the modern-day church in North America.

“A few weeks after our conversation, I attended a church service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the meeting an angel glided in. As I stared wide-eyed at the angel, I heard the Lord tell me that this was the same angel that was involved with the prophetic movement in Kansas City. The angel floated a couple of inches off the floor emitting a brilliant light and colors. He appeared young–about 22 years old–but old at the same time. It was as though he carried the wisdom, virtue, and grace of Proverbs 31"

I told you this idiot was a liar.

See the difference now? The angel turned from a female to a male.

[Gerald Creasy]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as against Todd Bentley's methods as you are, but I honestly don't see how he is lying here. The facts are the same, the story is just condensed in the second account, but not radically different. Unless I'm missing something? Please correct me.

As Rusky pointed out Female to male.

First it's a angel in a long flowing dress that reminded him of Kathryn Kuhlman...then it's a young man.

WHICH IS IT?


Jennifer Smith, tell me how this makes no difference. I'm sure you have some gymnastics to make this not only Okay but consistent with a "mighty move of God".

[A2JGirl]

OH! Ok. See this is why I'm not a copy editor.

This is almost amusing. The male angel still has Proverbs 31 qualities.

[pastorables]

Gerald,

Can you supply a link for the second version of the account? Could the error have been made by the one writing the account? I think it's strange that Mr. Bentley would have used the term "he" and Proverbs 31 synonymously.

pa

[DaJudge]

I'm sitting here watching Peter Popoff on BET. Honestly, he strikes me as more genuine and authentic than Bentley. And Popoff sells "Miracle Manna" that can cure cancer, diabetes, and unpaid bills.

[one love]

ahhhhh popoff "miracle spring water" for your healing, wallet and the riches of the world will come on you, just send him the amount he has prophesied over you when you receive his envelope

Now his manna, all his show is a info commercial, been caught and bankrupt and waited a few years saw the prosperity message and is richer then ever..........

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald,

Can you supply a link for the second version of the account? Could the error have been made by the one writing the account? I think it's strange that Mr. Bentley would have used the term "he" and Proverbs 31 synonymously.

pa

I found the excerpt from his book on a blog. You'll have to get ahold of a copy of the book to see if it is actually changed.

I only report what is being reported...but it is in sych with everything I hear in his voice.



EVEN MORE LIES:

On the 23rd June meeting at Lakeland, Todd claimed when he was 18 he said ‘God I want to be part of a global movement.’ When he was preaching to 20 people, he said ‘God, the biggest stadiums in the world are not going to be able to hold the masses.’ Todd said he wanted to preach to stadiums filled, but claims church people at the time said of him: ‘That tattooed preacher Todd Bentley, you’ll never go anywhere looking like that!’ My leadership team said: ‘Todd, I don’t know, you go all those tattoos on your body, I don’t know, they’re gonna hurt your ministry.’ ‘How many know God wants to use you as you are?’ then said Todd. The crowd then whistled, cheered and clapped.

Yet his tattos did not come until many years later.

I've even seen preching video where you saw NO tattos.

How could people be saying that when he was 18?

He is a bald faced liar.

[pastorables]

I found the excerpt from his book on a blog. You'll have to get ahold of a copy of the book to see if it is actually changed.

I will do that. I have witnessed several incidences of damage, whether innocent or strategic, from the sharing of false reports. It's obvious that Bentley is WAY out in left field with many of his antics, but we should still have the integrity to report only truth about anyone.

On the 23rd June meeting at Lakeland, Todd claimed when he was 18 he said ‘God I want to be part of a global movement.’ When he was preaching to 20 people, he said ‘God, the biggest stadiums in the world are not going to be able to hold the masses.’ Todd said he wanted to preach to stadiums filled, but claims church people at the time said of him: ‘That tattooed preacher Todd Bentley, you’ll never go anywhere looking like that!’ My leadership team said: ‘Todd, I don’t know, you go all those tattoos on your body, I don’t know, they’re gonna hurt your ministry.’ ‘How many know God wants to use you as you are?’ then said Todd. The crowd then whistled, cheered and clapped.

Yet his tattos did not come until many years later.

Again, where is the source link? If you are getting this information from one of those "wake up church" sites, I have found few of those that could be deemed credible by any church?!

Show me the credible ministry sites debunking Bentley and it will demand more attention.

Blessings,
pa

[Steve]

Show me the credible ministry sites debunking Bentley and it will demand more attention.

Blessings,
pa

OK, I'll have to admit I haven't read this whole thread, but this caught my attention. How about what the BIBLE says??? This man has openly and continuously mocked the gift of speaking in tongues and therefore the Word of God. I don't care what church supports or condemns him, in my opinion he is condemned already by a careful reading of scripture.

[pastorables]

OK, I'll have to admit I haven't read this whole thread, but this caught my attention. How about what the BIBLE says??? This man has openly and continuously mocked the gift of speaking in tongues and therefore the Word of God. I don't care what church supports or condemns him, in my opinion he is condemned already by a careful reading of scripture.

Steve,

Saying Bam, Bam, Bam is not necessarily a mockery of God if this is what you are referring to? I know nothing of a mocking of tongues as he does claim to be Spirit Filled.

I am not a Bentley supporter. I don't even know the man. I do believe in being fair and impartial in our judgments of other Christians. I do understand that the Bible is the ONLY standard of judgment concerning these issues, but there is a difference in web sites that judge based upon false information for the sole purpose of slander and sites that offer righteous judgment based upon the truth. That was my intended point.

Blessings,
pa

[RamboPreacher]

but the bam, bam, stuff does connote a commanding of the Holy Spirit or the "gift of healing", depending on the view. and is against, at least my, Biblical understanding of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (as He wills - not as "we" will).

[pastorables]

but the bam, bam, stuff does connote a commanding of the Holy Spirit or the "gift of healing", depending on the view. and is against, at least my, Biblical understanding of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (as He wills - not as "we" will).

I don't see it coming from him that way. I have used "catch phrases" many times in my sermon delivery, mostly due to my passion for youth and trying to be relevant to them.

Could it be possible that Bentley has a youth ministry background? He likely doesn't mean any disrespect whatsoever? God uses personalities as they are. It's we who change the personalities of others into religious clones. I know those who feel that Christian rap music is disrespectful to God, but I've witnessed God use that venue time and again.

Blessings,
pa

[RamboPreacher]

but the bam, bam, stuff does connote a commanding of the Holy Spirit or the "gift of healing", depending on the view. and is against, at least my, Biblical understanding of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (as He wills - not as "we" will).

I don't see it coming from him that way. I have used "catch phrases" many times in my sermon delivery,...

not how it comes across to me.