Have you ever been Prophesied over Falsely??

[paul]

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, Christ.

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

karen, I will defer to having been a pastor once more.

But, that does not make you the "scriptural" or "spiritual" head. You are a servant, you are not over or above but a part of the flock.

We are told to allow the the prophecy to be judged.

It is supposed to be judged by "the body", not a self appointed group.

The shepherd knows the sheep, know the lay of the land and is the highest authority in that local setting.

Nope, I don't think so. Christ is the head and then the husband and the wife under him. That is what is meant by ....it is a shame for a man to cover his head....... The man, husband, is not to have anyone "over/between" him and God. That is the line of scriptural, spiritual authority. You are a servant of the flock, the body. You share and work in what God has called you.

The scriptures speak of prophecy being given in open meetings/gatherings, not written down and given to a self appointed person to judge whether they will or will not share it.

post are a very dfifficult forum to really talk. but I will say you are in the cellar theologically in this arena. (IMHO)

To many scriptures referring to those over us in the Lord, giving oversight, giving account. Paul's instructions to Titus and Timothy.

Paul in I Cor 14 speaks plainly concerning who is to judge.

[Karen]

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, Christ.

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

karen, I will defer to having been a pastor once more.

But, that does not make you the "scriptural" or "spiritual" head. You are a servant, you are not over or above but a part of the flock.

We are told to allow the the prophecy to be judged.

It is supposed to be judged by "the body", not a self appointed group.

The shepherd knows the sheep, know the lay of the land and is the highest authority in that local setting.

Nope, I don't think so. Christ is the head and then the husband and the wife under him. That is what is meant by ....it is a shame for a man to cover his head....... The man, husband, is not to have anyone "over/between" him and God. That is the line of scriptural, spiritual authority. You are a servant of the flock, the body. You share and work in what God has called you.

The scriptures speak of prophecy being given in open meetings/gatherings, not written down and given to a self appointed person to judge whether they will or will not share it.

post are a very dfifficult forum to really talk. but I will say you are in the cellar theologically in this arena. (IMHO)

To many scriptures referring to those over us in the Lord, giving oversight, giving account. Paul's instructions to Titus and Timothy.

Paul in I Cor 14 speaks plainly concerning who is to judge.

I Cor 14 2How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.



Actually, the judging takes place in the assembly.

[Karen]

To many scriptures referring to those over us in the Lord, giving oversight, giving account. Paul's instructions to Titus and Timothy.

Paul,
I am not putting you or any other pastor down by this view. We are supposed to give honor to those who work in God's ministry. There are many giftings and callings in the body and they all have their part, their function. But each man/husband is responsible for the spiritual direction of his wife and children to God. He is responsible to pray and get direction from God whether this or that minister is actually teaching God's word. Many instances in the scriptures show that those who were preached to searched the scriptures to prove whether or not the teaching matched what the scriptures said. The husband has the God given right, authority and responsibility to remove his family from anyone or any denomination that is not teaching the scriptures. He is to get his direction directly from Jesus himself. No one with any gifting or calling has the right or authority to over rule the authority that God gave the husband as the head of authority under Jesus.

No pastor, preacher, teacher, evangelist, apostle, missionary, sunday school teacher, prophet.........whatever..........is the head and over the husband. They have been given a specific work to do in the body but they never were or ever will be the head of the man to whom God has given authority directly under Jesus.

[Mike Vande]

A guy prophesied that I would have a major music ministry that would touch multitudes.

Well, not so far..

[Dr. Ron]

Vande, if I were your pastor I would call the brother out and appoint him as your manager to make his prophecy come to pass.

I am soooooooooooo sick of all this foolishness.

That is NOT what prophetic is about or word of knowledge either.

When are we going to stand up and tell these "mystical" idiots to sit down and shut up...

[RamboPreacher]

Dr, Ron, I wonder (rhetorically, since I know the answer, at least around here) if it has anything to do with the fact that the spiritual gifts aren't being taught (not "preached") about at all, or very much.

In my Sunday School Class, (systematic theology 101, essentially) we just recently went over the Holy Spirit and the Gifts, and what they mean and what they are for. I was surprised to find in our discussions lots of "spare-tule" definitions, but little or no scriptural understanding.

[Gerald Creasy]

I am soooooooooooo sick of all this foolishness.

When are we going to stand up and tell these "mystical" idiots to sit down and shut up...

Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Dr. Ron]

Yes, Rambo.....the rank and file has no clue about the operation of the gifts.

COGOP has it right that the "gifts" were restored to the CHURCH to be operated through that medium. However, the COGOP never has developed a curriculum to teach the proper operation of those.

Early on in the org., there were many wonderful men and women who operated in the gifts but didn't mentor nor develope good methods of teaching those to future generations.

Sadly, most pentecostals and hardly any Charasmatics at all are aware of the proper usage. It is so sad......God would love to do some real things for us........

I know I come across as a know it all sometimes and for that I am truely sorry. I have been around a while and I very tenuously walk into some of these discussions. But I can tell you there is a real and a fake. I have been there and I know the difference. I have operated in all the gifts at one time or another..........according to the word..........severally as He will......

Gerald, I am more of an ally than you will ever know.

[PastorP]

Have you ever been Prophesied over Falsely??

If so, how did you handle the person afterwards?

Or am I the only one?

When the Brownsville revival first started, my wife and I were visiting our daughter and her husband in Alabama. They asked us to go to Pensacola with them to the revival. As skeptical as I was, I attended. They asked for all ministers that were there for the first time to come forward for prayer. I responded. The evangelist was a good way from me. It just so happened that we made eye contact. He left where he was praying and came directily to me. He reached forward past those in front of me and laid his hand on my chest. He proceeded to tell me that I was fighting against strongholds, but God gave him a word for me that they were coming down. We prayed and at the end of the service we left. In a few days we returned to our home. The statement made to me was a virtual mirror of what a guest minister said to me in one of our services. (In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses) It came to pass, just as they said. I remained in that pastorate for 12 years. BTW, I had never seen either of these 2 ministers until the night that they spoke to me.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald, I am more of an ally than you will ever know.

Good influences?

[Dr. Ron]

Yes, Gerald.....very good.

[THE RAzEr]

[The scriptures speak of prophecy being given in open meetings/gatherings, not written down and given to a self appointed person to judge whether they will or will not share it.[/quote]

I agree! This is the Scriptural record. The other may seem prudent, but is not the Scriptual precedent. The judgement the Scripture speaks of concerning prophecy is after the prophecy has been opnly given.

Ray

[Dr. Ron]

While the scriptural references do imply they were uttered in the general meetings, you do KNOW of course, that those meetings bore no resemblace to ours.

They did not have the type of "revival" meetings we have where unbelievers come and would be confused by what is happening.

Furthermore, there is NO scriptural precedent that dis allows pastors from asking for time to judge a prophetic word from someone .......especially if the pastor does not know the individual.

I am more concerned about protecting my flock from charlatans than I am worried that God will be upset with me for using a proceedure that protects the "little ones" in my charge.

[Pastor Chip]

I am more concerned about protecting my flock from charlatans than I am worried that God will be upset with me for using a proceedure that protects the "little ones" in my charge.

Amen to that!

[Mike Vande]

I am starting a new thread...